OberynBlackfyre Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 IN terms of the comet being over Kings Landing, and the dragons being born at the same time, and the whole idea of AAR forging Lightbringer through the blood of his great sacrifice NIssa Nissa......could Ned have acted as that sacrifice when Ice (a valyrian sword) was used to kill Ned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickrs Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 That means Ilyn Payne is AAR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OberynBlackfyre Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 That means Ilyn Payne is AAR? Not at all. It just means that Ice could very well have been part of an unknown blood, and taken on aspects of Lightbringer......ergo Oathkeeper might be a part of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRagnarok Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Ser Illyn Payne the Prince that was Promised?Nah, couldn't be...lol?But seriously was Ice the Sword used to cut off Ned's head??? I have my own Theories on Azor Ahai Reborn1. It's Jamie Lannister/Targaryen 2. It's Jon Snow/Stark/TargaryenI think Lady Stoneheart will force Jaime and Brienne to fight to the death, when Brienne sacrifices herself or vice versa Light Bringer will be forgedI think Jaime fits in with some of the prerequisites of AAR, Jon admittedly has a lot more of the signs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllyS Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 People do realize that the Nissa Nissa thing is just part of forging Lightbringer, it doesn't have to be done bu AAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRagnarok Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 The legend of Light Bringer are said be It was forged in Water (maybe Lady Stoneheart represents the Water)Than thrust into the heart of a Lion (Jaime sacrifices himself for Brienne)Than the Nissa Nissa (maybe Brienne when Jaime is resurrected) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OberynBlackfyre Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 People do realize that the Nissa Nissa thing is just part of forging Lightbringer, it doesn't have to be done bu AAR. ^^ exactly. Haha Lightbringer was forged in a certain way, but it never says it has to be forged by AAR himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnViserion Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 IN terms of the comet being over Kings Landing, and the dragons being born at the same time, and the whole idea of AAR forging Lightbringer through the blood of his great sacrifice NIssa Nissa......could Ned have acted as that sacrifice when Ice (a valyrian sword) was used to kill Ned? How did I never think of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastStark Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 The Legend of LightbringerDarkness lay over the world and a hero, Azor Ahai, was chosen to fight against it. To fight the darkness, Azor Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword.[4] He laboured for thirty days and thirty nights until it was done. However, when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke. He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. Looks like he did forge the sword, although i suppose that could be circumvented if Lightbringer was never destroyed, but one of the Valayrian swords of the great houses, and just needs the killing part to reenact its power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 when you see this question in the topic list it's both a head turner and an eyebrow raiser for like a whole second. it's a nice thought that Eddard's sacrifice might count for something cosmically and get the ball of fate rolling downhill. in political terms it sure did. is the magical world separate from politics? Melisandre says no. So if Ned's death stirred society into a frenzy so the human equation was brought to a boil in time to transform into something AA will preside over, nifty. It's a romantic use for Ned's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRagnarok Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Yeah, I don't think Ned's head acted as a 2nd Nissa Nissa, but I agree it was one of the major events that kicks off this entire END GAME scenario for the Realm of Planetos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta_Greyjoy Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day Ilyn Payne...OH GOD. OH I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS TILA I SWEAR What are you looking at Orko? I know what you and Varys get up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OberynBlackfyre Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 when you see this question in the topic list it's both a head turner and an eyebrow raiser for like a whole second. it's a nice thought that Eddard's sacrifice might count for something cosmically and get the ball of fate rolling downhill. in political terms it sure did. is the magical world separate from politics? Melisandre says no. So if Ned's death stirred society into a frenzy so the human equation was brought to a boil in time to transform into something AA will preside over, nifty. It's a romantic use for Ned's head. that's exactly it. Not only was Ned killed by his own sword, in a sacrifice that saved his daughters, he also set the whole realm ablaze. The North became a Kingdom again, and it was the reason that Tyrion was sent to Kings Landing in the first place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OberynBlackfyre Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 The Legend of Lightbringer Darkness lay over the world and a hero, Azor Ahai, was chosen to fight against it. To fight the darkness, Azor Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword.[4] He laboured for thirty days and thirty nights until it was done. However, when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke. He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. Looks like he did forge the sword, although i suppose that could be circumvented if Lightbringer was never destroyed, but one of the Valayrian swords of the great houses, and just needs the killing part to reenact its power well even if the original Lightbringer was destroyed, would Neds sacrifice of his honor (and head) not be equivalent? Not to mention he was beheaded with his OWN sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastStark Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 well even if the original Lightbringer was destroyed, would Neds sacrifice of his honor (and head) not be equivalent? Not to mention he was beheaded with his OWN sword. But he didn't make the sword, unless Ice is Lightbringer already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolkiennerd Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I thought the whole point of Nissa Nissa was that AA had to make a sacrifice to forge his sword. I don't see anyone sacrificing anything in the execution of Ned Stark, except Ned himself (as was pointed out above), and he can't be AA because he's dead. Unless his bones or something get wight-ified, but that's in deep crackpot land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OberynBlackfyre Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 But he didn't make the sword, unless Ice is Lightbringer already. what I'm saying is that it never says specifically that AA has to be the one to actually make the sword. Yes, he made the original one, but does that mean he has to make the second one, especialy if the "recipe" is already known? I thought the whole point of Nissa Nissa was that AA had to make a sacrifice to forge his sword. I don't see anyone sacrificing anything in the execution of Ned Stark, except Ned himself (as was pointed out above), and he can't be AA because he's dead. Unless his bones or something get wight-ified, but that's in deep crackpot land. The person who is sacrificed would NOT be AA....however the sacrifice and unknown blood magic could lead to an "accidental" making of a Lightbringer like weapon. The way Oathkeeper is explained, it seems to be an epic type of sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 1. Ice is not old enough to be the original Lightbringer. 2. If we're talking about a new LB, it should probably be brand new. 3. If a new LB doesn't have to be brand new, we're still missing the water and the lion before Nedda Nissa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastStark Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 1. Ice is not old enough to be the original Lightbringer. 2. If we're talking about a new LB, it should probably be brand new. 3. If a new LB doesn't have to be brand new, we're still missing the water and the lion before Nedda Nissa. 1) How old is Ice? 2) I agree but will there be time to make a new LB? assuming it's an actual sword. And if not it could still exist and just need that last sacrifice to regain its old Other kicking ass power. IIRC there is no mention of what happened to LB. 3) Nedda Nissa :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobmartell Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 1) How old is Ice?2) I agree but will there be time to make a new LB? assuming it's an actual sword. And if not it could still exist and just need that last sacrifice to regain its old Other kicking ass power. IIRC there is no mention of what happened to LB.3) Nedda Nissa :rofl:3b: Nedda heada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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