Witch Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I believe the sole purpose of a Mel POV in aDwD, was to take out Jon as a POV character, forever. Just like Catelyn, they still are alive (kind of), but we don't get to see their side of the story. I think It would make Jon more interesting to see him as an outsider. Also, if he dies and gets resurrected as UnJon, I'd like to see him get darker. Sorry if this has already been discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salafi Stannis Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Madam First Lady is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shk12344 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I believe the sole purpose of a Mel POV in aDwD, was to take out Jon as a POV character, forever. Just like Catelyn, they still are alive (kind of), but we don't get to see their side of the story. I think It would make Jon more interesting to see him as an outsider. Also, if he dies and gets resurrected as UnJon, I'd like to see him get darker. Sorry if this has already been discussed.Don't worry, Jon Snow is rarely brought up in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornish Vinegar Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 ...I would be totally okay with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfTheRock Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 As long as he doesn't become like Catelyn, I'm alright with this. Just don't give us a two dimensional piece of shit for a character, since that's what death seems to do in this series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost's Shadow Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Mel doesn't even work as a POV, not for all that's going to happen. She stares in her fires, thinks of Stannis, and that's basically it. Soon there will be a battle in the North and there's only 1 Wall POV that'll be equipped to describe it. Guess who? Also, there's a great many people doubting that he's dead, or that he'll need resurrection even. UnJon is something I'm pretty convinced we won't be seeing, simply because of his parentage that's still in question. That's been put there for a reason, and Jon still needs to finish his crypt dream (he can do that now as perhaps he won't be able to wake up for a while) and he needs to learn how to warg. UnJon wouldn't care about his parents, and you can bet we'll be seeing him raging that Ned isn't his father after all. Jon already got darker in Dance. Winter is Coming, he might get more tougher still, but if you think he'll go dark grey or black, nah. He's one of the good guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squab Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Sounds good to me. With two POVs at the wall, its a definite possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oopeed Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 But being stuck with Mel means abandoning any sort of insight in the nights watch who at this moment seem to be the only shield that protects the realms of men.She's also not a warrior which means losing insight in the battles... totally not working. It's a possibility but the consequences have greaty costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Imperator Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Sure! I like this idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Mel doesn't even work as a POV, not for all that's going to happen. She stares in her fires, thinks of Stannis, and that's basically it. Soon there will be a battle in the North and there's only 1 Wall POV that'll be equipped to describe it. Guess who? Also, there's a great many people doubting that he's dead, or that he'll need resurrection even. UnJon is something I'm pretty convinced we won't be seeing, simply because of his parentage that's still in question. That's been put there for a reason, and Jon still needs to finish his crypt dream (he can do that now as perhaps he won't be able to wake up for a while) and he needs to learn how to warg. UnJon wouldn't care about his parents, and you can bet we'll be seeing him raging that Ned isn't his father after all. Jon already got darker in Dance. Winter is Coming, he might get more tougher still, but if you think he'll go dark grey or black, nah. He's one of the good guys. To add to that, we wouldn't see his character development through his POV. As you said, he is already getting darker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Imperator Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 To add to that, we wouldn't see his character development through his POV. As you said, he is already getting darker. Character development for Jon could be done without his POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 There is completely and absolutely no way that Jon dies and Mel replaces his PoV instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Imperator Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Not even temporarily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_Warged Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 It was around the time that Robb died that Jon's POV's (well his story arc I suppose) became interesting (IMO) and he became my favorite "Stark kid" POV character, and his stuff in Dance had a lot of my favorite content in that book. I would be bummed if he is no longer a POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 It is plausible but I am not sure Martin will want to go in this direction. The introduction of Melisandre as a point-of-view character does suggest that she will take over for Jon though, at least temporarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Mel doesn't even work as a POV, not for all that's going to happen. She stares in her fires, thinks of Stannis, and that's basically it. Soon there will be a battle in the North and there's only 1 Wall POV that'll be equipped to describe it. Guess who? Equipped to describe it? What do you need to witness something, a pair of eyes? Mel fulfills the requirements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 At one extreme, it might be as simple a thing as Martin wanting to describe the resurrection of Jon externally; at the other, it might be a case in which Martin does not want us in Jon's head anymore. My opinion is that it falls somewhere in between the two. That said, Melisandre's point-of-view in A Dance with Dragons was not strictly necessary. There is nothing conveyed in her chapter that could not be easily disseminated without having to make her a point-of-view figure. That to me is indicative of her filling the role of point-of-view at the Wall for a period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civility Reigns Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Getting rid of Jon's POV chapters just as he's starting to get interesting would be disappointing at best, and a cop out at worst. We should see the dark and conflicted nature of his development first hand, rather than through the perpetual haze that is Melisandre's mind. It's not like it would be unusual for GRRM either; Theon, Victarion, Arya, and possibly even Daenerys have all dealt directly with that kind of subject matter, so why should Jon suddenly be the exception? I wouldn't mind seeing things from Melisandre's perspective once in a while. The whole Wall arc has been pretty one sided, told almost entirely through Jon and his bumbling sidekick, so listening to what a Red Priest has to say about everything could be enlightening. However, I don't want one or the other, especially if using one POV exclusively could negatively impact our understanding of a character. Can we honestly say that Theon or Arya would be such compelling or controversial characters if all of their actions were told through rumors, speculation, or brief glimpses punctuated with food porn? I don't think so. So if the story from here on out is going to be "Jon: A Melisandre Story", I think you can kiss the greater part of Jon's character goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squab Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 He left the wall on a cliffhanger (no pun intended). He did something similar with Tyrion at the end of ASOS. He may only hint at what happened with Jon (through Melisandres POV) and wait for the "last" book to explain fully and get back to Jons POV. It may be a decade before we get a substantial story from Jon again. Just like we waited for Tyrion (there was that early release chapter - maybe he does that again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 It may be a decade before we get a substantial story from Jon again. Just like we waited for Tyrion (there was that early release chapter - maybe he does that again) But Tyrion wasn't "dead". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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