Alysanne.Stark Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Hi everyone, new to posting in the forums! :smug: Just wanted to point out a theory I'd read somewhere else, but I'm not sure f it was here! Why did Maggy choose to use the High Valyrian word 'valonqar', instead of the common tongue 'little brother'? Someone suggested that it might be because the 'little brother' in question is of Valyrian descent. Now this could mean it is Aegon, if he truly is Aegon and not a Blackfyre descendant, because we all know the Targs are from Valyria. But I've kinda just realised that if R + L = J, then it could be Jon as well (as AAR)? Why would Maggy use High Valyrian if it didnt have anything to do with it?Anyway, I just wanna learn about everyone else's theories as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The main reason is so that we wouldn't know who Cersei's killer will be for sure until it happens. Blackfyres are Targs, so Aegon Blackfyre could still be the valonqar if he has an older sibling. Those who fit with the addition of a Valyrian heritage requirement:1. Aegon, real or fake2. Jon3. Stannis4. Jaime if he's half-Targ5. Tyrion if he's half-Targ6. Possibly Daario Naharis, if he has the bloodline, and is a younger brother.7. Brown Ben with his "two drops" of dragon blood, if he's a younger brother.8. Varys (who I think is a Targ) if he is a younger brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanset Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I think Loras Tyrell is "the little brother" of the series. If Loras is not so hurt as Aurane Waters said (which is very possible), he can get out of Dragonstone when he finish his business with whatever dragon stuff he found. Then he can be back in King's Landing and be really mad at Cersei for hurting Margaery. He's got a personal coat of arms with three golden roses on a field of green indicating his position as a third son. Loras is "the little brother" even when Margaery is one year older. That would be the tricky/interesting part of the twisted prophecy. ;) ETA: By the way, Loras is in the perfect position to do it because he is a Kingsguard.This is almost like "the butler did it!" or the praetorian guard killing the emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Vaes Tolorro Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Either Jaime or Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fae Boleyn Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Probably Jaime or Tyrion, most likely Jaime since she thinks it's Tyrion. But if it is Tyrion you have the "created your own worst enemy" vibe.Though the choice of valonqar is an odd one, when all the rest is in Common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Hendrix of Rock Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Edmure Tully, the only little brother that matters."when your tears have drowned you" like a river Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horny Joramun Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I would really love the jaime-Loras paralell if it did turn out to be Loras! Both being ''white knights'' and then killing a king/queen each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Un-Jaime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 i think its aegon, he allready has kevan down, has mycrella in dorne, which will likely hold her hostage once they join him and is in a position to assualt cersei and tommenand he is a little brother, blackfyre or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Here's a little crackpot: Bloodraven "They never grow out of it, she decided. A little brother may live to be a hundred, but he will always be a little brother." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Sticking with Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Here's a little crackpot: Bloodraven "They never grow out of it, she decided. A little brother may live to be a hundred, but he will always be a little brother." how will bloodraven kill tommen mycrella or cersei? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Malenkirk Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 As someone else put it, Tyrion seems to be Cersei's red herring while Jaime might be the reader's red herring. Valonqar is purposefully vague. The prophecy doesn't even clearly state that it's cersei's valonqar, so just about any younger sibling would fit, plus symbolic ones. On top of that we learned indirectly from Aemon that valyrian is gender neutral so if Daenerys can be the 'prince' that was promised, then it's possible the valonqar is is also a woman. So really, the list of suspects is damn long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 how will bloodraven kill tommen mycrella or cersei? I don't know, with magic? :dunno: That's why it's a crackpot Un-Jaime I lean towards this, only I think it's going to be wight!Jaime, strangling her like Waymar Royce strangled Will in the aGoT prologue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardsHead Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I think Loras Tyrell is "the little brother" of the series. If Loras is not so hurt as Aurane Waters said (which is very possible), he can get out of Dragonstone when he finish his business with whatever dragon stuff he found. Then he can be back in King's Landing and be really mad at Cersei for hurting Margaery. He's got a personal coat of arms with three golden roses on a field of green indicating his position as a third son. Loras is "the little brother" even when Margaery is one year older. That would be the tricky/interesting part of the twisted prophecy. ;) ETA: By the way, Loras is in the perfect position to do it because he is a Kingsguard. This is almost like "the butler did it!" or the praetorian guard killing the emperor. I like this theory, Cersei had Ser Robert Strong named to the Kingsguard on the basis that Ser Loras was dying so he could be replaced. However all the events at Dragonstone happen off page and we only hear them through the grapevine. What if the Loras situation is similar to the AFFC Davos news, where everybody thinks he's dead or close to death, but in reality the news is skewed and Loras is actually alright. This leaves RS to crush whoever the faiths champion will be, but when Loras comes back the Faith will deem that Cersei had no right to name RS to the Kingsguard while Loras lived, thus sentencing Cersei to die :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 As someone else put it, Tyrion seems to be Cersei's red herring while Jaime might be the reader's red herring. Valonqar is purposefully vague. The prophecy doesn't even clearly state that it's cersei's valonqar, so just about any younger sibling would fit, plus symbolic ones. On top of that we learned indirectly from Aemon that valyrian is gender neutral so if Daenerys can be the 'prince' that was promised, then it's possible the valonqar is is also a woman. So really, the list of suspects is damn long. I think it is a huge stretch to conclude that the entire high valyrian language is gender neutral based on what Aemon said. At best the HV word for "prince" or as some have argued "dragon" is gender neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bent branch Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The valonqar is most certainly to be found on the list provided by Lady Blizzardborn above. I am pretty convinced it is Aegon. However, the one I secretly want to see the most is wightified Tommen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnmaskedLurker Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Probably Jaime--maybe wight-Tommen or Un-Tommen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shmewdog Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Littlefinger. He was like a little brother to Cat and Lysa, and Maggie never specifies that it would be Cersei's valonqar, just the valonqar. It could be anybody who is a little brother, literally or figuratively. I can see LF emerging from the shadows after all of Cersei's children are dead and gloating about how he killed Joffrey and then choking her to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Am TheSongOf IceAndFire Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Darkstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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