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So Rhaegar's obsessed with this prophecy of the 3 headed dragon, and he thinks it's his son. So he's got Rhaenys and Aegon but needs Visenya, unfortunately Elia's too sickly to have another child so he goes after Lyanna Stark; the Ice to his Fire.

If this theory is correct how do you think he would react to Visenya being a boy?

Would he refuse to acknowledge Jon?

Will he change his mind and claim that Jon's the PTWP?

Would he kill Jon in fear that he'll try to take Aegon's crown in the future?

Will it cause him to have an identity crisis because he everything he thought to be true isn't?

When Dany comes a long will he declare her as Aegon's third head?

Or will he just not care because the Targaryens are descendants of Rhaenys so it doesn't matter if Visenya's female or not.

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There is no evidence that Rhaegar wanted to recreate Aegon and his sisters.


There is no evidence that Rhaegar wanted three kids and three kids only.


There is on evidence that Rhaegar knew about the "three heads of the Dragon".


There is no evidence that Rhaegar eloped with Lyanna because he wanted to procreate with her.


There is no evidence that Rhaegar was "obsessed" with the Prophecy, only aware that they would eventually face the apocalypse.

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So Rhaegar's obsessed with this prophecy of the 3 headed dragon, and he thinks it's his son. So he's got Rhaenys and Aegon but needs Visenya, unfortunately Elia's too sickly to have another child so he goes after Lyanna Stark; the Ice to his Fire.

If this theory is correct how do you think he would react to Visenya being a boy?

Would he refuse to acknowledge Jon?

Will he change his mind and claim that Jon's the PTWP?

Would he kill Jon in fear that he'll try to take Aegon's crown in the future?

Will it cause him to have an identity crisis because he everything he thought to be true isn't?

When Dany comes a long will he declare her as Aegon's third head?

Or will he just not care because the Targaryens are descendants of Rhaenys so it doesn't matter if Visenya's female or not.

Claiming for Dany:

Benerro

Maester Aemon

Claim for Aegon (the baby):

Rhaegar

Claim for Stannis:

Mel

Claiming there is no Azor Ahai Reborn and A Promised Prince, born of smoke and salt, continuously:

Jon

“Would you know if the king was dead?” Jon asked the red priestess.
“He is not dead. Stannis is the Lord’s chosen, destined to lead the fight against the dark. I have seen it in the flames, read of it in ancient prophecy. When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone. Dragonstone is the place of smoke and salt.”
Jon had heard all this before. “Stannis Baratheon was the Lord of Dragonstone, but he was not born there. He was born at Storm’s End, like his brothers.” He frowned. “And what of Mance? Is he lost as well? What do your fires show?”

“The same, I fear. Only snow.”
“Selyse has the right of this, Lord Snow. Let them die. You cannot save them. Your ships are lost—”
“Six remain. More than half the fleet.”
“Your ships are lost. All of them. Not a man shall return. I have seen that in my fires.”
Your fires have been known to lie.”
“I have made mistakes, I have admitted as much, but—”
A grey girl on a dying horse. Daggers in the dark. A promised prince, born in smoke and salt. It seems to me that you make nothing but mistakes, my lady. Where is Stannis? What of Rattleshirt and his spearwives? Where is my sister?”
“All your questions shall be answered. Look to the skies, Lord Snow. And when you have your answers, send to me. Winter is almost upon us now. I am your only hope.”
A fool’s hope.” Jon turned and left her.

GRRM:

Surely the plot is very unpredictable despite all the prophecies you give to help us...

[Laughs] Prophecies are, you know, a double edge sword. You have to handle them very carefully; I mean, they can add depth and interest to a book, but you don’t want to be too literal or too easy... In the Wars of the Roses, that you mentioned, there was one Lord who had been prophesied he would die beneath the walls of a certain castle and he was superstitious at that sort of walls, so he never came anyway near that castle. He stayed thousands of leagues away from that particular castle because of the prophecy. However, he was killed in the first battle of St. Paul de Vence and when they found him dead he was outside of an inn whose sign was the picture of that castle! [Laughs] So you know? That’s the way prophecies come true in unexpected ways. The more you try to avoid them, the more you are making them true, and I make a little fun with that.

http://www.adriasnews.com/2012/10/george-r-r-martin-interview.html?m=1

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There is no evidence that Rhaegar wanted to recreate Aegon and his sisters.

There is no evidence that Rhaegar wanted three kids and three kids only.

There is on evidence that Rhaegar knew about the "three heads of the Dragon".

There is no evidence that Rhaegar eloped with Lyanna because he wanted to procreate with her.

There is no evidence that Rhaegar was "obsessed" with the Prophecy, only aware that they would eventually face the apocalypse.

Agree with all, but the bolded one...? wasn't he the first one to state the whole "The dragon has three heads" thing?

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Agree with all, but the bolded one...? wasn't he the first one to state the whole "The dragon has three heads" thing?

iirc, the only 'evidence' is of a vision in the HotU. Few visions in the HotU actually represent reality...Aemon says something along the line of "the dragon must have three heads" but we don't know the extend of what Aemon and Rhaegar discussed, what exactly Rhaegar believed, or if that is even a prophecy at all.

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There is no evidence that Rhaegar wanted to recreate Aegon and his sisters.

There is no evidence that Rhaegar wanted three kids and three kids only.

There is on evidence that Rhaegar knew about the "three heads of the Dragon".

There is no evidence that Rhaegar eloped with Lyanna because he wanted to procreate with her.

There is no evidence that Rhaegar was "obsessed" with the Prophecy, only aware that they would eventually face the apocalypse.

Getting a bit techinical here, but I think we have evidence (HotU, Aemon), we just don't have proof.

I think Rhaeggar's reaction was impredictable. He changed his mind once about the prophecy (when he decided Aegon was the PtwP), so maybe he could change his mind again. It's not like his children would be copies of the original trio anyway, since Rhaenys is older and looks different when compared to her namesake.

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So Rhaegar's obsessed with this prophecy of the 3 headed dragon, and he thinks it's his son. So he's got Rhaenys and Aegon but needs Visenya, unfortunately Elia's too sickly to have another child so he goes after Lyanna Stark; the Ice to his Fire.

If this theory is correct how do you think he would react to Visenya being a boy?

As stated above, there is no evidence of Rhaegar attempting to recreate Aegon and his sisters. For one, he named his oldest daughter Rhaenys instead of Visenya. For two, we don't know whether Rhaegar still thought that Aegon would be TPTWP at the time he and Lyanna ran off together. He may have changed his mind completely.

Would he refuse to acknowledge Jon?

Rhaegar's not the type of man who would refuse to acknowledge his own child because they didn't turn out to be the correct sex.

Will he change his mind and claim that Jon's the PTWP?

He may have done so already...we just don't know yet.

Would he kill Jon in fear that he'll try to take Aegon's crown in the future?

This is ridiculous. What would give you the idea that Rhaegar is the type of man who could kill his own son to keep him from competing with his other son?

Will it cause him to have an identity crisis because he everything he thought to be true isn't?

He may have done so already. We don't know.

When Dany comes a long will he declare her as Aegon's third head?

Rhaegar never even knew that his mother was pregnant with Dany.

Or will he just not care because the Targaryens are descendants of Rhaenys so it doesn't matter if Visenya's female or not.

I still don't get why you assume that Rhaegar wanted Jon to be a girl, or why you assume that he wanted to recreate Aegon and his sisters. There's absolutely no evidence for it.

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