Cymorococh Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 First time poster, this is my first attempt at speculation and is therefore pretty vague. I searched for something like this but couldn't find any reference to it anywhere. First, the facts/assumptions I have based this on:- The synopsis that was leaked which revealed that GRRM originally planned for Jon and Arya to be romantically involved.- Jon skinchanged into Ghost when he 'died'.- Arya is still having wolf dreams.- The Mercy chapter reveals that Nymeria's wolf pack is in a pine forest, this may indicate that it is moving northwards (Thanks History of Westoros podcast!).- GRRM has indicated that the wolf pack will become more significant as the story continues. Anyone think Ghost will join up with this pack, resulting in Jon and Arya sort of being reunited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 First time poster, this is my first attempt at speculation and is therefore pretty vague. I searched for something like this but couldn't find any reference to it anywhere. First, the facts/assumptions I have based this on: - The synopsis that was leaked which revealed that GRRM originally planned for Jon and Arya to be romantically involved. - Jon skinchanged into Ghost when he 'died'. - Arya is still having wolf dreams. - The Mercy chapter reveals that Nymeria's wolf pack is in a pine forest, this may indicate that it is moving northwards (Thanks History of Westoros podcast!). - GRRM has indicated that the wolf pack will become more significant as the story continues. Anyone think Ghost will join up with this pack, resulting in Jon and Arya sort of being reunited? I know it is widely assumed that Nymeria is heading North, but I not so sure. East of Maidenpool the hills rose wild, and the pines closed in about them like a host of silent grey-green soldiers. There are pines in Riverlands too. Anyway Ghost/Nymeria, Jon/Nymerya, Arya/Ghost meetings are of course possible but I actually find it more likely that the meeting will be in Riverlands than North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Goat Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 East of Maidenpool the hills rose wild, and the pines closed in about them like a host of silent grey-green soldiers. There are pines in Riverlands too. Techniqually that's the crownlands. Not that it changes the point you made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind Beth the Cat Lady Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Totally possible the wolves will meet, but I think the original Arya/Jon romance is off so the meeting will cool/poignant and may be strategic but won't be more than that, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevasTra82 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Totally possible the wolves will meet, but I think the original Arya/Jon romance is off so the meeting will cool/poignant and may be strategic but won't be more than that, I think. It technically could still happen, but like you said, it's probably been cut. I do think we will see a Jon/Arya meeting and bond, though. But this time, more of a brother/sister bond than a romantic one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Corporal Underpants Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I agree with above that any meeting wil not be romantic, but a close to their arch begun with the gifting of Needle would be appropriate, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaderLike Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 There's no way that Jon Snow just becomes Ghost and that's that. That would be the same as death. You can't have POV chapters from a wolf. It kills the entire story at the Wall if Jon is gone. All the other major deaths in GoT served a purpose and furthered the over all storyline. Killing Jon (at least killing him now) doesn't serve any. Jon Snow will be reborn one way or another as he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllOfTheHours Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 There's no way that Jon Snow just becomes Ghost and that's that. That would be the same as death. You can't have POV chapters from a wolf. It kills the entire story at the Wall if Jon is gone. All the other major deaths in GoT served a purpose and furthered the over all storyline. Killing Jon (at least killing him now) doesn't serve any. Jon Snow will be reborn one way or another as he was. I agree with this. I don't want to spend time and pages seeing through Ghost's eyes in WoW. It wouldn't add to the forward momentum of the plot or develop Jon's character IMO. Especially since Ghost is already at the Wall. If he was deep in the Other's territory it could be useful and revealing, but as is, Jon would just narrate being stuck in a cage smelling wild boar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnar of Skagos Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 There are too many unknown variables in your theory. I am also quite confident with the changes GRRM has made to the plot that the Jon/Arya romance is scrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaderLike Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I like and prefer the new Arya/Jon dynamic more than any romance. The new dynamic being, of course, that Arya never looked at Jon as a bastard or as a half brother or as a lesser brother, but a beloved brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevasTra82 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 There are too many unknown variables in your theory. I am also quite confident with the changes GRRM has made to the plot that the Jon/Arya romance is scrapped. I re-read the leaked letter to see if I missed anything, and it seemed like the basic plan was for Tyrion to befriend both Arya AND Sansa, but eventually cross the narrow sea, switch sides, and fall in love with Arya. I find this interesting, because some of this has already begun. Instead of befriending Sansa, he ends up marrying her. (I wouldn't call them "friends" at the moment, but I don't think they totally hate each other either). Point is, he has a direct-connection to Sansa now. Now, Tyrion has, in fact, crossed the narrow sea in exile due to being blamed for Joffreys murder (in the letter he DID kill him, but now he is just being blamed for it. Either way the outcome is the same). This next quote makes it very possible the love triangle *could* still be in effect... "Exiled, Tyrion will change sides, making common cause with the surviving Starks to bring his brother down, and falling helplessly in love with Arya Stark while he's at it". The wheels of this have already started to turn. Tyrion is across the Narrow Sea (where Arya is), and has begun to "switch sides" against his sister (the original letter states Jaime, but it is now Cerscei is on the throne). Tyrion could very well link up with Arya Stark in TWOW and fall in love with her, and be the main catalyst to get Arya back to Westeros and to Jon. My point is....it's very plausable that the love triangle could still come into play in the story. It's too soon to tell right now, but GRRM could definitelly still go in that direction if he wanted to. I don't think he will, but it's layed out well to where he could if he chose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkash Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 - GRRM has indicated that the wolf pack will become more significant as the story continues. Since we know, in the original draft, Nymeria and a pack of direwolves were supposed to save Arya, Cat and Bran from Walkers, I'm sure Nymeria's pack will play a role in books to come. I'd say they could be useful fighting the wights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaderLike Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Hahaha. I seriously hope for Tyrion's sake that he DOES NOT run into Arya because I don't think it will go well for him, and I don't think Arya will ever give him the chance to explain why it possibly should. Good boots are hard to come by! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevasTra82 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Hahaha. I seriously hope for Tyrion's sake that he DOES NOT run into Arya because I don't think it will go well for him, and I don't think Arya will ever give him the chance to explain why it possibly should. Good boots are hard to come by! Not quite sure what you mean. To my knowledge, Arya and Tyrion have never really had any run-ins with one another, and she has no reason to hold any ill-will against him. Unless it's strictly because he's a Lannister, but I don't think Arya would be petty enough to hold a grudge against someone for no logical reason like that. Unless there is something I'm not remembering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shireen Shireen Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I think Jon and Arya will get reunited rather than Ghost and Nymeria as such. There's no way that Jon Snow just becomes Ghost and that's that. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevasTra82 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I think Jon and Arya will get reunited rather than Ghost and Nymeria as such. Agreed. But it leaves the question....how long will GRRM go in TWOW without a Jon POV chapter? He's already confirmed that Jon is in a coma when the book starts, and the only other major player at The Wall that is a POV is Melisandre. Jon will probably have "wolf dreams" similar to how Bran had Raven Dreams in the 1st book. I don't think he'll completely warg into Ghost, but he'll dream through his eyes while in a coma. Maybe for a chapter or two before he wakes up or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 He's already confirmed that Jon is in a coma when the book starts, and the only other major player at The Wall that is a POV is Melisandre. Did he? When? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 First time poster, this is my first attempt at speculation and is therefore pretty vague. I searched for something like this but couldn't find any reference to it anywhere. First, the facts/assumptions I have based this on: - The synopsis that was leaked which revealed that GRRM originally planned for Jon and Arya to be romantically involved. - Jon skinchanged into Ghost when he 'died'. - Arya is still having wolf dreams. - The Mercy chapter reveals that Nymeria's wolf pack is in a pine forest, this may indicate that it is moving northwards (Thanks History of Westoros podcast!). - GRRM has indicated that the wolf pack will become more significant as the story continues. Anyone think Ghost will join up with this pack, resulting in Jon and Arya sort of being reunited? I also do not think Jon skin changed. I have stated this elsewhere (some time ago since I have been on a aSoIaF sabbatical), but Jon's wounds are not that bad aside from the gut shot. Not trying to be rude, but I am not going to rehash the entire thing again here. I do think it is possible for Nymeria and Ghost to reunite, and it is possible that begins the reunification of the wolves. If she is north, it could be argued that she recognizes Ghost and stays near Jon. I really don't know since it would all be speculation, but I do believe in a broader sense that eventually Ayra and Jon will be reunited. As lovers, I do not know. That might be a bit odd, but I do think Jon will perhaps be instrumental in her becoming Ayra again. Love Ayra as a character, but the idea of her losing her Stark identity for some faceless BS does not settle well with me. If it happens, it happens. But I find that to be a repulsive path for Martin to send Ayra down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevasTra82 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Did he? When? He said it in an interview at ComiCon over this past summer. It was posted on his blog....someone asked him Jon Snows condition and he said "he's not dead, just more in a coma to start the books" (something like that), and did one of his trademark cackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 He said it in an interview at ComiCon over this past summer. It was posted on his blog....someone asked him Jon Snows condition and he said "he's not dead, just more in a coma to start the books" (something like that), and did one of his trademark cackles. I searched both SMMs on this page and the blog and found nothing using keywords Jon and coma. I would very much like for Jon being in coma being confirmed, but I still think you are misremembering the quote. IRRC GRRM was indeed asked if Jon is dead or something like that but his answer was "You think so?" or something of that ilk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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