TyrionsFlagon Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 These things are the same, right? Or are white walkers the wights? Do the "Others" have blue eyes also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokii Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 They're the same thing. And yep, they both have blue eyes. The others seem alot more powerful/intelligent, whereas the wights they create are (pretty much) just mindless zombies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The Wights are zombies controlled, to a degree, by the White Walkers.The White Walkers are generally equated with the Others but may not be exactly interchangable. There's a lot of debate on this with a strong - but disputed - opinion that the White Walkers serve the Children. At any rate they are or were human with some or all of them being Craster's sons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 They're the same thing. And yep, they both have blue eyes. The others seem alot more powerful/intelligent, whereas the wights they create are (pretty much) just mindless zombiesThese things are the same, right? Or are white walkers the wights? Do the "Others" have blue eyes also?I'm sure much smarter people will post here but I'll contribute my 2 cents anyway...I think it hasn't been established beyond a doubt that the Others are the same beings as the White Walkers. The wights are different from both; they are the White Walker's thralls. Whoever (any species, including humans) is killed by a White Walker turns into a wight. The wights don't seem to be so mindless, imho; they seem to at least retain some memories of their lives - the wight Jon kills at Castle Black seems to know who Mormont is; also, Thistle (ADwD prologue) seems to recognise Varamyr.Also, the Others/WW and wights are killed in different manners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionsFlagon Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 Also, the Others/WW and wights are killed in different manners.I thought they were all killed by fire or dragonglass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I thought they were all killed by fire or dragonglass.I think it's fire for the wights and dragonglass for the WW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I have always though the Others and White Walkers are the same and killed by dragonglass and perhaps Valyrian steel. Whights are zombies made by the WW/Others and they die by fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Dog Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I have always though the Others and White Walkers are the same and killed by dragonglass and perhaps Valyrian steel. Whights are zombies made by the WW/Others and they die by fire.Remember that Sam tried to use dragonglass on a wight (on the Fist, I think) and it didn't work. Dragonglass works on Others/White Walkers, but not wights. Don't think anyone has tried fire on the Others, but they are more elusive than wights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mother of Mountains Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The White Walkers are generally equated with the Others but may not be exactly interchangable. There's a lot of debate on this with a strong - but disputed - opinion that the White Walkers serve the Children. At any rate they are or were human with some or all of them being Craster's sons.Really? I thought White Walkers was just the wildling name for The Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I have always though the Others and White Walkers are the same and killed by dragonglass and perhaps Valyrian steel. Whights are zombies made by the WW/Others and they die by fire.I thought this as well but then the thought crossed my mind, do we know if dragon fire has any effect on the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Between 3 and 26 Character Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I thought this as well but then the thought crossed my mind, do we know if dragon fire has any effect on the others?I would imagine that dragon fire would kill them. Otherwise people on here who have prophesying an ice (WW/Others) v fire (dragon) battle are going to be really pissed and very wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chise Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Remember that Sam tried to use dragonglass on a wight (on the Fist, I think) and it didn't work. Dragonglass works on Others/White Walkers, but not wights. Don't think anyone has tried fire on the Others, but they are more elusive than wights.wait... I thought Sam's dagger simply broke off because of the wight's armor, well the armor former human wore anyway... Any weapon is useless if you can't hit the actual flesh of the beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It is known. Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Remember that Sam tried to use dragonglass on a wight (on the Fist, I think) and it didn't work. Dragonglass works on Others/White Walkers, but not wights. Don't think anyone has tried fire on the Others, but they are more elusive than wights.I think Sam read a book that said that fire 'dismayed' the others or disorientated them or something to that extent :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiva Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The way I understand it is that Others = White Walkers, I believe they predominantly have the blue glowing eyes. Dragon glass kills them.Others control the wights (Zombies). Perhaps like a warging type process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catastrophe Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I don't think the White Walkers used to be human. I always thought that line about Craster's sons meant they'd be turned into wights, like anything else the White Walkers kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scurvy Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I don't think the White Walkers used to be human. I always thought that line about Craster's sons meant they'd be turned into wights, like anything else the White Walkers kill.I think the sacrifice had little to do with turning them into wights. Who needs a week old Infant undead creature? They use the infant boys for something but that something could be anything from food to life energy to whatever other horrible thing you can think of including making blood paste out of them to serve to Bran. (see black crow's theory on COTF and the others being the same). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mor2 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Really? I thought White Walkers was just the wildling name for The Others.it is. It's been little confusing since the TV shows decided to rename "Others" to "White Walkers" after the pilot, so now many of the newer guys only now the others as "White Walkers". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catastrophe Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Well in the very first chapter of the first book, the narrative refers to the White Walker we see as an Other. Same goes for Sam's POV chapter in ASoS, which is the only other time we see a White Walker. So the books seem to imply that they're the same thing too.Regarding their weaknesses, we know for a fact that Dragonglass kills the White Walkers, but not the Wights. The Wights can be killed by fire or even by conventional weapons, if you completely hack them apart, but Dragonglass doesn't seem to have any more effect on them than any other physical blade. Whether the White Walkers can be killed by fire or physical force is unknown, since we've never seen one get hit by anything other than the Dragonglass dagger.Now that I think about it, making wights out of Craster's infant sons does seem pointless, but I don't think the babies get turned into White Walkers either. I was strongly under the impression that the White Walkers were a different race altogether and were never really human. I'm not sure what happens to the babies, perhaps they get sacrificed to the Great Other in exchange for magical power, similar to Melisandre's sacrifices to R'hllor. That wouldn't explain the line about the sons returning, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Regarding their weaknesses, we know for a fact that Dragonglass kills the White Walkers, but not the Wights. The Wights can be killed by fire or even by conventional weapons, if you completely hack them apart, but Dragonglass doesn't seem to have any more effect on them than any other physical blade. Whether the White Walkers can be killed by fire or physical force is unknown, since we've never seen one get hit by anything other than the Dragonglass dagger.Didn't Sam try fire on a WW and it didn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solarbear Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I thought this as well but then the thought crossed my mind, do we know if dragon fire has any effect on the others?When Dany went to the Warlock place she encountered creatures that met the same description as the others (blue eyes dark hands) and burnt them to a cinder. How much was a dream and how much real, very hard to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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