[Book Spoilers] Game of Thrones, an adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire? Not any more.
Posted 03 June 2012 - 09:32 PM
I/we will be writing a longer piece on how poorly handled both Dany and Dany's whole storyline have been in the second season, contrasting it with the very clear purpose of Qarth in the books, so right now I am just concentrating on the House of the Undying.
Instead of a single one of the visions that Dany actually sees, we get a vision of Khal Drogo. Talk about a cheap-ass publicity stunt to squeeze Jason Momoa back in. Now, it is true that perhaps some of the visions she sees would be too spoilery on TV as opposed to when read, but why not just compensate for that by toning down what is shown? Or going entirely to Dany hearing but not seeing things? I expect that there would be cuts and changes, in particular I expected some of the visuals to disappear. I did not expect them to just throw everything out.
We have, as of yet, not had a single mention of either the Song of Ice and Fire or the Prince that was Promised in the series. What more, not only did they cut out the visions, they cut the whole prophecy. So far, all we have gotten for Dany is an abbreviated version of Mirri Maz Duur's prophecy.
So, they continue to cut out the past from the story and in addition to that they also cut out most of the prophecies. Both these are very significant elements of the story. Whatever the producers and writers might think, A Song of Ice and Fire isn't just about battles and boobs.
The past still matters, it enriches and makes the present more poignant. We'll likely never see Rhaegar now, not to mention Elia. What viewers will care about them? What viewers will care about Rhaegar and Lyanna when they ultimately have to become more important to the story? What viewers will care particularly about the Martells without any establishing of Elia?
The prophecies...well, who can deny their importance? As we see in A Dance with Dragons, even the most obscure ones do come true, just not in ways one might have expected. Magic isn't just dragons and Others.
A Song of Ice and Fire is a multi-layered and multi-faceted story. That also means that people do read it for different reasons. Some may take in all aspects of the story with near equal enjoyment, others may favour some aspects and dislike others. The mysteries of the past and the prophecies fuel a large amount of the discussion on the forums. They are clearly important aspects for many, many fans. And the show has just ripped them out of the story almost wholesale.
Furious doesn't come close to describing what I am today. Nor does disappointed.
I had said before the season started that for this season, the only thing I really hoped for was that they would get the House of the Undying right. If not, I would find it hard to continue watching. Since they didn't even try to get it right, they just threw it in the trash, I have absolutely no interest in watching any more. Unfortunately, we have a lot tied up in the coverage of the show, so I'll probably have to keep watching to some degree anyway. But I no longer look forward to new episodes because the story has been gutted of what matters the most to me and because I do not expect any of the scenes I truly care about to make it in, at least not without being butchered beyond recognition.
As far as I am concerned, it is no longer an adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire, it is an mainly an original story in the A Song of Ice and Fire setting. And it isn't particularly good.
Posted 03 June 2012 - 09:44 PM
Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:38 PM
Now we KNOW Varys is truly a eunich
Dany will burn KL
Drogo WILL return
what else from books 6 and 7 did D&D reveal
Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:40 PM
ARYA DID NOT KILL ANYONE!
Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:40 PM
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:46 PM
Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:48 PM
I liked the ep, but I see why people are upset about HotU.
All of this "I'm done with this show!" stuff is lame though. It's an adaption, some stuff has been close to perfect, some stuff never will be.
Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:52 PM
Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:56 PM
Also, that scene with Drogo was mind-numbingly useless. Still, though there are certainly changes made that I do not enjoy and get annoyed by, can't say I hate the show or anything. Still love it.
Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:00 PM
And seriously, why have Sam sitting there and the leader wight sees him? What, a fat crying coward is not worth chowing down on? Don't think so! Though one more line about Gilly and I would have been glad to see him chomped or skewered!
Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:02 PM
Though... whyyyy did Quaithe make mention of Jorah's betrayal if they weren't even going to touch on the three? I thought for sure that since they brought that up it would be mentioned at the HotU.
Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:06 PM
You will never please book fans. Even in s1 with one little thing off they bitch. Its a tv show its not same story get it through your head its got to be addpted for tv books and tv and other media not the same.
Not true- 1st season was awesome, even when a few things diverged. And a few times some changes were for the better, or helped make a point more clearly. This season wasn't about little things, it was major plots and characters completely re-worked, often for no good reason, and always for the worse. It's not just budget stuff- that can be forgiven. It's many times simple things like what is said that totally changes the point of the story. No reason to screw with it so much and believe me, it will come back and bite the writers later on when all these things add up to huge mess that will be that much harder to resolve.
Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:07 PM
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:13 PM
That's why I was skipping every Dany scene there was. To be honest I was skipping many of them. Terrible season, although last 2 episodes (i.e. ep. 9 and 10) were decent.
The way it was adapted, the entire House of the Undying plot could have been cut with no damage to the plot or character development.
Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:18 PM
I have this wish that -- considering how long it takes GRRM to write the books -- that, when D&D run out of books to adapt, we'll get seasons dedicated to "flashing back" to Robert's Rebellion and drama which led up to it. I actually don't think it would be a bad idea. Maybe it would go a long way in repairing this disconnect which is developing between book purists and Game of Thrones production.
Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:19 PM
If you don't like it...don't watch it and please don't spread your misery on to those who enjoy the series. People have complained since SYRIO WAS SHOWN WITH HAIR! You have your opinion, I respect it (despite what my rant suggests, I really don't hate any of ya'll lol) but you have to understand for those who love the show AND the books, it is depressing to see some of these comments. Again I hate to sound like a broken record but I'm not trying to offend anyone or start a flame war.
Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:23 PM
You CAN NOT just ignore important moments in character development like that
It's one thing to ADAPT or make small changes, but that's not what happening here
And they just don't care
Why? 'Cause people won't read the books anyway
They'll just watch the show and say "WOW, ain't HBO fantastic?"
Honestly? **** HBO and their TV series, **** you very much for the lack of consideration towards the people that actually liked the story
And to the people saying "Yeah, it sucks, but I'll keep on watching": have some self respect man!
Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:27 PM