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Is Dawn Lightbringer?


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#1 Tyrion Always Nose

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:05 PM

Is the Daynes' sword lightbringer? It seems to fit, dawn bringing light to the world as the sun rises. Also, where is the sword at the moment?

Edited by Tyrion Always Nose, 07 September 2013 - 04:05 PM.


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:06 PM

I think Dawn is the original Lightbringer (and is also Dragonsteel), but the NW is Lightbringer this time.
Dawn is currently in Starfall.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:07 PM

Some fans believe that Dawn is LB, given the magnificence of the sword and its name, the correlation with the War for Dawn. I sincerely doubt it, even though Dawn is indeed one of a kind. And the sword is in Starfall at the moment.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:40 PM

I like the idea of the NW being lightbringer, but I thought it could refer to the dragons

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 02:28 AM

I think Dawn is the original Lightbringer (and is also Dragonsteel), but the NW is Lightbringer this time.
Dawn is currently in Starfall.

It was made from a meteor, unless you think Dragonsteel is silicon, nickel, and iron (the most likely materials) it is highly unlikely that it was made out Dragonsteel.

IMO Dragonsteel was something that would fairly easy to come by, and my best 2 guess are another name for obsidian or steel that had been melted by Dragon fire.

As to the OP, Dawn sticks out way to much to be LB.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:16 AM

It was made from a meteor, unless you think Dragonsteel is silicon, nickel, and iron (the most likely materials) it is highly unlikely that it was made out Dragonsteel.

IMO Dragonsteel was something that would fairly easy to come by, and my best 2 guess are another name for obsidian or steel that had been melted by Dragon fire.

As to the OP, Dawn sticks out way to much to be LB.

It could still be from a meteor and still Dragonsteel. The First Men only used bronze so the metal from the fallen star would have been far stronger than bronze.
Also in Dany's last AGOT chapter she describes the comet as

the dragon's tail

In another thread, Free Northman said that the First Men could have seen the falling star as a dragon, and so when they forged Dawn they could have called it Dragonsteel.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:34 AM

In another thread, Free Northman said that the First Men could have seen the falling star as a dragon, and so when they forged Dawn they could have called it Dragonsteel.

I won't disagree w/ most of that, but Dragonsteel being written down in a book say to me, that there was at least a good supple of it. Dawn is one of a kind, and there is no hint in-story that there was ever another.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:47 AM

I won't disagree w/ most of that, but Dragonsteel being written down in a book say to me, that there was at least a good supple of it. Dawn is one of a kind, and there is no hint in-story that there was ever another.

Sam's first AFFC chapter-

I found one account of the Long Night that spoke of the last hero slaying Others with a blade of dragonsteel.

It's one blade of dragonsteel that's used, not blades. And there's only one Dawn...

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:53 AM

Elio & Linda did a video on this, if of interest.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=XXFKmw3iNio

Edited by Dragonstoned, 08 September 2013 - 03:53 AM.


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:51 AM

If Dawn is Lightbringer wouldn't the Daynes advertise the shit out of that? Somehow I don't think Dawn would be a sword anyone forgets. It has to be like the Master Sword in Zelda.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:56 AM

I think that Dawn is a one-of-a-kind sword but is not Lightbringer or Dragonsteel. I think that the NW is Lightbringer and that Dragonbone is Dragonsteel.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:59 AM

i think dawn is lightbringer,

i just cant get on board with the NW being light bringer

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:08 AM

Imho if lightbringer is an actual sword it will be dawn. Weve heard so much sbout it without actually seeing it that it seems very possible to be lightbringer.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:17 AM

If Dawn is Lightbringer wouldn't the Daynes advertise the shit out of that? Somehow I don't think Dawn would be a sword anyone forgets. It has to be like the Master Sword in Zelda.


Things such as origins of Dawn and the SotM title were forgotten over thousands of years.

And the arcs around Darkstar might be there for a reason - to bring the sword north.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:21 AM

I never got on board with the NW being lightbringer either. With the way the Night's Watch has fallen apart lately and with membership and support from the 7 Kingdoms dwindling, the realm would be doomed if the NW was lightbringer.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:22 AM

As Bran noted Dawn was forged with metal from the heart of a fallen star. That suggests very strongly that the blade consists of an alloy including metal from a meteorite. We haven't seen any suggestion that it was forged by Azor Ahai and tempered in the heart of Nissa Nissa. But the Battle for the Dawn, and the Sword of the Morning titles inspire comparison.

The Night's Watch are the sword in the darkness and Dany's dragons are a flaming sword above the world. Both comparisons are explicit.

Mel calls Stannis's sword Lightbringer bit Aemon effectively points out its inadequacy. And Beric is gone, finally.

I'm going with Longclaw.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:34 AM

Mel calls Stannis's sword Lightbringer bit Aemon effectively points out its inadequacy. And Beric is gone, finally.

I'm going with Longclaw.


Maester Aemon's objection to Stannis' sword was that while it radiates light it does not radiate heat and therefore cannot be LB. The question becomes: Does Dawn radiate heat? There's also another conundrum. Does the sword wielded by AA become LB or is LB wielded by AA i.e. Is it the sword that makes the man or the man that makes the sword?

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 10:55 AM

Does the sword wielded by AA become LB or is LB wielded by AA i.e. Is it the sword that makes the man or the man that makes the sword?




Or do they make each other?

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 10:59 AM

I think Dawn is the original Lightbringer (and is also Dragonsteel), but the NW is Lightbringer this time.
Dawn is currently in Starfall.


Yeah that. If light bringer is an actual sword and AAR is an actual person the fat man should just go the whole hog and have Jon pull Dawn from a stone and have a magician declare him the true King of all Westeros.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 11:00 AM

Maester Aemon's objection to Stannis' sword was that while it radiates light it does not radiate heat and therefore cannot be LB. The question becomes: Does Dawn radiate heat? There's also another conundrum. Does the sword wielded by AA become LB or is LB wielded by AA i.e. Is it the sword that makes the man or the man that makes the sword?

Here is what we know:

"In ancient books of Asshai it is written that there will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him."

"The pages told of Azor Ahai. Lightbringer was his sword. Tempered with his wife’s blood if Votar can be belived. Thereafter Lightbringer was never cold to the touch, but warm as Nissa Nissa had been warm. In battle the blade burned fiery hot. Once Azor Ahai fought a monster. When he thrust the sword through the belly of the beast, its blood began to boil. Smoke and steam poured from its mouth, its eyes melted and dribbled down its cheeks, and its body burst into flame."

And we also have the history of the forging of Lightbringer as told by Salladhor Saan and the partial tale of the Last Hero recounted by Old Nan.