Mance Rayder and Rhaegar Targaryen are two different people. Why should I go back and read the series, which I've already done, with a specific mindset of Mance and Rhaegar being the same individual, that'd be biased reading. And again, Mance Rayder is not Rhaegar Targaryen and nothing you just posted accounts for proof of evidence. Mance's color scheme isn't red and black, he only wears a red and black cloak, and scarlet is just another word for red, or a finer type red in terms of it's color and texture. In multiple chapters his cloak is described as a tattered red and black cloak, while in other chapters it's referred to as Scarlet and Black. But anyway, you're claiming that Mance has to be Rhaegar because they wore cloaks with the same colors? And Qhorin is Arthur Dayne now because they both allude to not bending easily to their foes, and so does Mance and all the other Wildlings, they all can't be Arthur Dayne or Rhaegar Targaryen. The "Our Knees Do Not Bend" thing seems to be a common saying in the world of ASOIAF, much like "Gods be good" "Dark Wings;Dark Words", etc.Where is it ever said that Mance grew up in a prison type environment? All thats said about him is that he was a black brother, one of the best, whom ultimately deserts and become Kings Beyond The Wall. He retells the story of why he left the NW, and the red in his cloak came from a healers daughter, whom lived beyond the wall, whom healed his wounds and used her own scarlet material to repair the rips the Shadowcat left in his cloak, according to him, the NW didn't find the repaired cloak suitable and replaced it with a new all black cloak, he left the next morning for a place where "a kiss was not a crime". He mentions nothing of a "prison like environment, and where exactly is it written that Mance had an obsession for rubies? Because I'm pretty sure he had none. If Ygritte's POV in ASOS is anything of relevance, she says that the goal was to bring down the wall, and depending on how you interpret the very last sentence of the Ygritte POV I'm referring to, it wasn't until they started digging up graves searching for the Horn of Joramun, that the Other's built an army and became a true threat. So if this is truly the case (Hell if I know that this is what GRRM meant when writing that part), then the Others weren't Mance's prime motive of bringing down the wall, its possible he was simlply seeking more desirable land for him and his people. Mance Rayder also doesn't scream someone who is so into prophecy, as opposed to someone seeking a specific ancient object for the benefit of moving his people. And with the whole attitude thing, him loving music and loving to display his musical chops, DOES NOT make him Rhaegar Targaryen. Tom O'Sevenstrings, also has a love for music and likes to display his musical abilities, is he Rhaegar in disguise as well, as a member of the Brotherhood without Banners?