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  1. A few minor notes. Balerion was one of the 5 dragons that came with Aenar to to dragonstone 112 years before Aegon. Maegor had the choice to either take a hatchling that where available at the time ore wait for his fathers dead so he could claim the biggest and most powerful dragon, he did the last. The custom to put a dragonegg in the cradle stems from after the dance of dragons do some of the princelings did recieve a dragoneg at a young age before that, for instance all of Rhaenyra her sons. But Aemond is actually mentioned as not having been given an egg and his father talked of taking him to dragonstone to choose a hatchling for himself (he had other ideas and took Vhagar for himself instead.)
  2. More a case of them being counted among the troops of the Reach, after Renly died most of his horse went to Stannis but his foot remained under the command of the Tyrells and his army was made up from the combined armies of the Reach and the Stormlands. Thus when the Tyrells brought there forces down to the battle of the Blackwater it was still this combined force and the men from the Stormlands where erroneously counted as Tyrell men. Even Tyrion when he talks to Oberyn upon there first meeting makes this mistake and counts the Stormlanders among the forces of the Tyrells.
  3. In that case i misunderstood you
  4. I don't really get your point here since this is exactly what i said, there could be more between them or he was Hand for about 11 years. Seems to me you either did not read al of my post before responding or you simply misunderstood me. But it does seem we agree on this point.
  5. According to the wiki Jaehaerys was served by a total of 5 Hands of the King. Lord Robar Baratheon 48 AC - Unknown. Septon Barth 59 AC - 99 AC Ser Ryam Redwyne 99 AC - 100 AC. Concurrently served as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. Prince Baelon Targaryen 100 AC - 101 AC Ser Otto Hightower 101 AC - 109 AC. From 103 however he is serving Viserys I as hand since that is the year Viserys I becomes king. Since they end date of Robar being Hand is unknown there could be a sixth Hand or he was Hand for about 11 years.
  6. really 5 tries? I personnaly have not had any problems for a while now, not since they changed the sever they routed it trough in my country.
  7. There in spain for an event so that might explain the problems with the site and there lack of respons to the not a blog post.
  8. They only reason i see to send (scout) ships ahead, is to lay contact with Stannis and the forces already there to learn wheter anything has changed since they last spoke at Storms End. And to beter coordinate the attack by not just showing up and hoping Stannis forces are standing ready to be ferried over. Getting 20000 men to move from there camp into the right position is no mean feat and actually takes a lot of time.
  9. The only clear statement is on the North, the Reach is united by the time the andals get to the Reach, but that is long after they started coming to westeros since at that point they already conquered the vale and most of the Riverlands. And the Riverlands don't seem to be united at that point either, though most is in the hands of house Mudd they do not hold all of the Riverlands. Maidenpool for instance is a seperate kingdom at that time. The Westerlands are not fully united either since King Cerion Lannister extends his kingdom with Andal help by taking the Golden Tooth and Tommen I Lannister captured Fair Isle. All of this is after the Andals arrive in the Westerlands. I am not entirely sure about the Stormlands other then that at the time of the andal invasions the where fighting against the Masseys who had set themselves up as (pirate) Kings of Massey's Hook. This conflict was actually what drew the Andal warlord Togarion Bar Emmon to the Stormlands.
  10. TWoIaF states that the North was unified by the time that the first andals started arriving.
  11. For those houses that are mentioned at bitterbridge i suggest you leave them in the sumup but make a note that they are not mentioned at the battle but likley to have been there because of them being present at bitterbridge.
  12. I only now saw that the OP would like us to return to the original subject of the tread so i wil not adress the many things wrong with wat you say here because of that. apollogys to the OP for my previeus post i had not seen that you had asked to return to the original topic.
  13. 1)Apparently you did not read everything again, it is explicitly stated that the greenblood is shallow, so a galley that has a shallow draft sure, a big merchant ship hell no. And on top of that you don't know how big Alyn's ships where he could have used ships with just 50 ores whe know for a fact from the battle of the Blackwater the royal fleet has such ships. 2)As Free Northman said the crops deid because there was no one to bring them in they did not die from frost, as a matter of fact frost is not mentioned at all its heavy rains that push the stalks into the ground. when that happens youy have to harvest imidiatly or the food will rot on the ground. So really its lack of people to harvest not the weather it self thats the problem. 3) There is ample evidence that can be used to make an educated guess, but if you want to go this route there is no evidence for how much food Dorne produces iether, so then the whole discussion becomes a mute point. 4) Yes you did and now you are backing out of it because the evidence points against you. 5) No it does not it states how far he got, it never links it to where Daeron was at the time.
  14. @Lord Varys Did some further diging and found this: The World of Ice and Fire - Dorne Though meager when compared to the Mander, the Trident, or the Blackwater Rush, the waters of the Greenblood are truly the lifeblood of Dorne. Most of the First Men who chose to remain in Dorne, instead of wandering north in search of sweeter lands, settled close to the banks of the Greenblood, digging canals and ditches to bring its life-giving waters to the trees and crops they planted. Most Dornish rivers are in full flood only after the rare (and dangerous) rainstorms. The rest of the year they are dry gullies. In all of Dorne, only three rivers flow day and night, winter and summer, without ever going dry. The Torrentine, arising high in the western mountains, plunges down to the sea in a series of rapids and waterfalls, howling through canyons and crevasses with a sound like the roar of some great beast. Rising from mountain springs, its waters are sweet and pure, but dangerous to cross, save by bridge, and impossible to navigate. The Brimstone is a far more placid stream, but its cloudy yellow waters stink of sulfur, and the plants that grow along its banks are strange and stunted things. (Of the men who live along those selfsame banks, we shall not speak). But the Greenblood's waters, if sometimes muddy, are healthful for plant and animal alike, and farms and orchards crowd the river's banks for hundreds of leagues. Moreover, the Greenblood and its vassals, the Vaith and the Scourge, are navigable by boat almost to their source (if shallow and plagued by sandbars in places), and therefore serve as the principality's chief artery for trade. Again it is stressed here that while navigable the river is shallow so again i really do not see anything beyond poleboats or galleys being able to sail up the Greenblood. As to food the hundreds of leagues along the rivers banks confirms that food is grown along they entire river unfortunatly it does not say anything about how far inland from the banks of the river the areable zone stretches. it also speaks of rare rainstorms so periods of drought do seem to be a thing in Dorne. I ommited a part of the quote becouse it is easier to speak of it seperatly: Most of the First Men who chose to remain in Dorne, instead of wandering north in search of sweeter lands, settled close to the banks of the Greenblood, digging canals and ditches to bring its life-giving waters to the trees and crops they planted. Others preferred to dwell beside the narrow sea; the eastern shores of Dorne are more forgiving than the southern, and soon many small villages arose, sustaining themselves on fish and crabs. The more restless of the First Men pushed onward and made homes for themselves in the foothills south of the Red Mountains, where storms moving north were wont to drop their moisture, creating a fertile green belt. Those who climbed farther took refuge amongst the peaks, in hidden valleys and high mountain meadows where the grass was green and sweet. Only the bravest and the maddest dared to strike out inland across the deep sands. A few of these found water amongst the dunes and raised holdfasts and castles on those oasis; their descendants, centuries later, became the Lords of the Wells. But for every man who stumbled on a well, a hundred must surely have died of thirst beneath the blazing Dornish sun. This speaks of the other parts of Dorne that could sustain the growth of food, but since the Greenblood is called the lifeblood of Dorne on multiple occasions they most likely do not produce as much as the Greenbloods banks. Still it is interesting to look at. The villages are said to sustain themselves so they do not seem to do more subsist so no great quantities of food there. The valleys and meadows of the mountains are only said to have green and sweet grass so i would expect that they have herds of animals there but no agriculture. the oasis would grow some food but how much? I do not expect an oasis to really be abundent in food. That leaves the fertile green belt in the foothills of the mountains, now here i expect to see a good amount of food. I still however do not believe that Dorne would produce more food then the North, but i know you will probably not agree with me.
  15. My post on navigability was in respons to you saying that the Greenblood had to be navigable to big ships, this is why i only mention that we also see some of what they grow in one of the quote's as a sidenote. I clearly state that it is a sidenote, but apparantly you read over that. We have had a discusion on what kind of crops you can grow in the North a few months ago in an other tread and if you remember i gave you the names of several crops that could easily survive summer snows, so your repeated mentioning of this is really not impressing me at all. For Dorne to produce an amount of food greater then the massive landmass that is the North, where we know for a fact that there are apple orchards in a place as far north as the Gift, the Greenblood would have to be a river compareble to the Nile which it is not. However that does not mean it does not produce a lot of food, because it does. Arrianne actually says it is the liveblood of Dorne. What i dispute is that they amount will exeed the output of the North. As to your Quote on dividing Dorne in half. Does he really need to get al the way up to Godsgrace to do that? they only source we have of how far he got is Stannis saying half way, and as i said galleys which make up most of the royal fleet have a low draft but that is why they are not used as transport and trade ships. So that still means that since they only ships we actually see on the Greenblood are poleboats and only hear of Oakenfist ships which are likely the Galleys of the royal fleet, it seems that with the information we have now that big ships like cogs and carracks are unlikely to be able to sail up the Greenblood.