Lord Reaver Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 And I want to know why. Because he is a superb naval commander. It's that simple. Even Victarion, who absolutely hates him, admits that his plan was brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I get the impression that Euron is cleverer but far crazier. While Stannis is more dependable. And Euron's lack of dependability matters when you choose naval commanders. I might make use of Euron's plans but I wouldn't trust his crazy ass with a naval command, he is too dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Euron= Erratic, insane, naval genius. Who only has expierience leading two ships during pirating. Not to mention a major assholeStannis= Intellegent, bitter, expierienced, naval genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Reaver Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Not to mention a major asshole What does that have to do with anything ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Dp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 What does that have to do with anything ?nothing but still.....some reason I felt I had to state the obvious :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Reaver Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I believe the word you're looking for is "trolling". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkaggCannibal Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Stannis, he has beaten the Ironborn before, he would do it again. Euron's Shield Islands victory is nice, but Stannis' victory at Fair Isle is even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I believe the word you're looking for is "trolling".:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Not to mention a major assholeSo is Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Reaver Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 So is Stannis. Well, I was hesitant to stoop to that level, but now that you've gone and done it...yes, yes he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 So is Stannis. I think neither Stannis or Euron give a crap about that. And as Lord Reaver pointed out, this doesn't affect any of their commanding capabilities. It's interesting though that Euron is actually crazier and willing to take unforeseeable risks, which could counterbalance Stannis' resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independent George Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I would argue for Euron, for the simple reason that he's done it longer. Stannis was the master of ships, but he hasn't actually led a naval engagement in over a decade. Euron, meanwhile, has been thriving in a profession with a very short lifespan, and has by now probably learned more about naval tactics than anyone on either continent. My sense is that if Stannis were to face off against Euron now, he'd probably underestimate Euron fatally, expecting the old Ironborn raiding tactics instead of a real naval engagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I would argue for Euron, for the simple reason that he's done it longer. Stannis was the master of ships, but he hasn't actually led a naval engagement in over a decade. Euron, meanwhile, has been thriving in a profession with a very short lifespan, and has by now probably learned more about naval tactics than anyone on either continent. My sense is that if Stannis were to face off against Euron now, he'd probably underestimate Euron fatally, expecting the old Ironborn raiding tactics instead of a real naval engagement. Stannis could underestimate him, but I think he could maybe adapt. I'd like to point out though that Euron hasn't commanded a fleet in over a decade either. But yes, sailing on a boat was his life style up until now, so he has that going for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Stannis' victory at Fair Island is impressive, but I'd take an Ironborn naval commander over someone from the mainland any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Because he is a superb naval commander. It's that simple. Even Victarion, who absolutely hates him, admits that his plan was brilliant.The plan was very good, as I have said, I just want to know why the Iron Fleet never managed to conquer the Shield Islands or even just knock out their ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 The plan was very good, as I have said, I just want to know why the Iron Fleet never managed to conquer the Shield Islands or even just knock out their ships. Because the Reach was not distracted until now, most of their men and ships are somewhere else. Up to this point everyone thought also that the Ironborn are in the North. Euron took them by surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independent George Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Stannis' victory at Fair Island is impressive, but I'd take an Ironborn naval commander over someone from the mainland any day. I wouldn't. I'd take Euron over anyone from the mainland, but he's clearly an exception - the Ironborn have traditionally been raiders who clearly have no time for little things like strategy or logistics. The plan was very good, as I have said, I just want to know why the Iron Fleet never managed to conquer the Shield Islands or even just knock out their ships. Because they're generally been led by the likes of Balon or Victarion, who think only in terms of raids and plunder. Euron and Asha are literally the only Ironborn we've seen actually consider things on a strategic level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Off-topic, but I don't want to create a new thread as it's fairly minor: Are there any indications how good Balon and Aeron were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 But for serious, I don't think it's possible to say until they go up against each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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