cmclain5 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I'm Interested in everyone's ideas about the missing swords in Winterfells crypt. We're they valaryian steel? Who or what is taking them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nozlym Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 they were taken by osha, jojen and meera for protection when they were hiding out they were made of bronze i believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arataniello Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 they were taken by osha, jojen and meera for protection when they were hiding out they were made of bronze i believe One of them is described "rusted" or "corroded", so it's more likely they are made of iron or steel. Furthermore, If memory serves, the swords taken were from statues of some of the more recent Stark Lords of Winterfell, and therefore they are unlikely to be made of bronze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 They were all iron swords because the colloquial belief is that the iron kept the ghosts or spirits of the dead from "escaping", etc. That's what the Starks do or maybe it's a tradition that traces it's beginnings back to the First Men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmclain5 Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 Ooo...so now that the iron swords are missing, is there a possibility of some ghost action at winterfell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nozlym Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 ya there was a thread about iron and bronze and what they might entail. cant seem to find it but it was rather interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmclain5 Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 That would actually be a great plot twist for the winterfell battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrik of Dorne Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 The interesting thing is that the First Men of Westeros never developed iron metallurgy. The Andals came with Iron. It means it can't possibly be a First Men superstition, but a Andal superstition, or a later Northern superstition, from after iron was introduced into the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmclain5 Posted June 26, 2014 Author Share Posted June 26, 2014 If osha, jojen, and Meera took them, they surely would be aware of the superstitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOne Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Ooo...so now that the iron swords are missing, is there a possibility of some ghost action at winterfell?Finally somebody picking up on my "the swords are missing comments. I'm not so sure about ghosts in the literal sense, but I have a feeling there are secrets in those crypts. Proceed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arataniello Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 In an indirect way, the swords going missing DID release a ghost in winterfell. The reason that Bran and Rickon his in the crypts was a direct result of Theon's actions. Those same actions in turn led to the fall of Winterfell at the end of book 2, allowing Bran and Rickon to leave the crypts, taking the missing swords with them. Theon's capture, torture and subsequent return to Winterfell as "The Ghost in Winterfell" are thus part of the whole chain of events that included the swrods being removed from the crypts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmclain5 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 The books start out with the stark family and is still centralized around them. You can bet your butt that Winterfell and the remaining Starks will have a prominent end role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkTarg Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I wonder how much the Lightbringer prophecy has to do with those missing swords? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaNymeriaVisenya Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Also interesting that the crown of Winter was a circlet of swords. They form a chain that cannot be broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady of Dragonstone Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 The interesting thing is that the First Men of Westeros never developed iron metallurgy. The Andals came with Iron. It means it can't possibly be a First Men superstition, but a Andal superstition, or a later Northern superstition, from after iron was introduced into the North. The "superstition" didn't have to be introduced after the Andals, or the iron. The Starks could have very well introduced the superstition themselves (after all, they've been in the North for 8,000 years) or it could be associated with an Old God practice that we know nothing of. I don't think the material of the swords that Bran and company took has anything to do with the origins of the practice. like Arataniello pointed out, at least one of the swords taken was iron because it was rusted. This probably did come from a more recent ancestor.... it's been a while since I've read AGOT so I can't remember for sure either. We don't see any modern day fighter who wields a sword of bronze, do we? Correct me if I am wrong. I assume that all or most swords, after a certain point, were made of iron or steel. The material that the smith used may be, excuse the pun, immaterial. Critically thinking, I assume that these swords protecting the bodies were perhaps the dead's own sword - if the smith was only making them for the graves, he may have continued to only use bronze for the swords that would only guard the bodies of the dead. Those are just my guesses. Interestingly, Google tells me that in Celtic mythology, swords "indicate victories won for the purpose of insuring the survival of blood lineage." Hmmm.... I certainly think the fact that the swords are gone indicates that something WILL happen in the crypts. There have been some very interesting theories about that, I read some of them in the Heresy threads. I would very much recommend checking out what they had to say. I can't remember which thread it was, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History of Westeros Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 I find it interesting that the Stark Lords/Kings in the crypt are carved in such a hostile posture. Every Stark crypt has a sword across his lap: By ancient custom an iron longsword had been laid across the lap of each who had been Lord of Winterfell, to keep the vengeful spirits in their crypts. and: “Any man of the Night’s Watch is welcome here at Winterfell for as long as he wishes to stay,” Robb was saying with the voice of Robb the Lord. His sword was across his knees, the steel bare for all the world to see. Even Bran knew what it meant to greet a guest with an unsheathed sword. Perhaps it is as simple as, "no one is welcome guest in the crypts" :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_fire_silver Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Ohhh..Right..I would like to add one more event related to jon snow.He dont want to go in to those crypts but he has to go in his dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRe Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 The Starks are buried with swords "to keep [thier] ghosts at rest" (CoK, 961). Even though Ned's body is not in the crypt, "his stately granite likeness" is (CoK, 960). As Bram and his friends leave the crypts, where they have been hiding, Meera takes Lord Rickard's sword, Osha takes the sword Mikken made for Ned's tomb, and Bran takes his uncle Brandon's sword. As Bram leaves the crypts, "he turned to give his father one last look, and it seemed to Bran that there was a sadness in Lord Eddard's eyes, as if he didn't want them to go" (CoK, 961). I can only conclude that the ghosts of Ned, Lord Rickard, and Brandon cannot rest now. In fact, they may be the "ghosts" at Winterfell responsible for the murders during "Arya's wedding." This would be an awesome method for Ned's ghost to seek justice. It would also give him an opportunity to tell Jon about his mother. The crypts have significance in the story. Several chararacters have visited them and dreamed about them. The missing swords are also mentioned at least twice. Also, it would be ridiculous for the lady at the wedding to ask Theon to view the crypts and remark about the missing swords, if there wasn't some foreshadowing. Naysayers will note that Ned's body never made it back to Winterfell. His body was returned to Catelyn at Riverrun by the Silent Sisters, and Catelyn told them to return Ned's body to the crypts of Winterfell. However, at the time that Winterfell burns and Bran hides in the crypts, Ned's tomb is still empty. However, a Stark who isn't buried at Winterfell with a sword...is just not going to be able "to rest." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRe Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 they were taken by osha, jojen and meera for protection when they were hiding out they were made of bronze i believe They were taken by Osha, Meera, and Bran. I believe they were made of steel. "A naked sword hung down her [Osha's] back, one of the last to bear Mikken's mark. He had forged it for Lord Eddard's tomb, to keep his ghost at rest. But with Mikken slain and the ironmen gurading the armory, good steel had been hard to resist..." Osha took Ned's sword, Meera took Lord Rickard's sword, and Bran took his uncle Brandon's sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosts Lunch Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Also interesting that the crown of Winter was a circlet of swords. They form a chain that cannot be broken. Iron swords as well Thanks for that, i was wondering why they would have such a povo form of crown (it does have Rubies in it etc) but it probably all links into the role of Iron I wonder fi the original crown is under the crypts (Robbs was a near replica) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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