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  1. Depends on what you mean by 'At the time of the first book' Jon Arryn who was managing the Kingdom for Robert anyway. His downside is his heir being breastfed, did he not know about that? Tywin is effective but he's monstrous. He has a strong heir (as King he releases him of his vows) but Jaime is in the lure of Cersei. Hoster Tully would have been a good candidate as he connects 3 of the Kingdoms of Westeros to his line, but again, Edmure is perhaps a weak heir. And he was on the verge of death, Doran Martell would be a decent shot at the time of the first book, 2 sons as his heirs. Both seems OK. While he isn't in the first book, this was still true of him at the time of the first book.
  2. Sure but that doesn't have to be the case for every character, Arya as a character was written to be completely insignificant to Westeros after episode 3. All the other surviving characters either had their death to come, or like Jon their final significant act, or were important in the new setup of Westeros. Arya had none of those things. People who get wound up about her killing the NK don't seem to realise, that is all Arya had, If she hadn't had that moment her character would have been completely pointless to the story's conclusion. Which makes us wonder about what the hell Arya is for in a book series with no Night King.
  3. Her story was completed in The Long Night. That doesn't mean she was intended to die, just that her final conclusion was reached sooner in the story than other characters. All that comes after it was her explicit dropping of the kill list and choosing life. But that is muddled by sending her off in a boat to nowhere which has previously been considered a suicide mission, never to see the people she loves again. Its a weird one. She was only in King's Landing to provide a point of view for the commonfolk as Daenerys inflicted terror on them.
  4. The knife drop is in slow motion. He only has time to look down by which point she's caught it. The fake out works by making it look like you've dropped your weapon to the floor. Not that you are making a move.
  5. Yeah, she's pretty but that doesn't make people love you. GRRM has that beauty and the beast thing going on. Ygritte isn't gorgeous, Jon is plain. Brienne is beautiful of soul and Jaime is beautiful of face. Cersei is gorgeous but rotten inside. Robert was a young god of a man and then got drunk and fat. Danaerys is the most beautiful woman in the world and the biggest monster inside. As Arya becomes more deadly she becomes prettier. Beware the pretty ones seems to be a message in George's work. I can totally see Sansa, proclaimed as gorgeous die alone.
  6. I saw that coming in the books. Sansa dreams of love but no one has ever really loved her besides familiarly. Everyone is using her. She is really the lone wolf, surrounded by predators. This was a key reason I thought the sisters would invert their world views.
  7. She doesn't need it though. That is a good contrast between her and Danaerys. Both began saying that they wanted the love of the people as Queen. In the end Sansa doesn't need love. One of her brother's died for it, one was destroyed by it, her sister seems to have broken someone with it. Daenerys on the other hand can't cope without being loved. It gives her validation. When she doesn't have it, we saw what happened. Summed up by this quite aptly
  8. Elizabeth didn't die a virgin she just appeared so to her people. She married her country. In those days if she married then her husband would be King, a King outranks a Queen. She would lose her power. As for Sansa not getting what she wants, she did, 'I'd be queen someday, its the only thing I've ever wanted', she had to endure the sacrifices to get what she wanted. Some things, she will never have.
  9. Kind of. I despise my favourite character's ending so I'm less excited about the journey to get there. Although, has to be said we still don't know what Arya is for in the books, there is no Night King. She doesn't seem to have a role after the war. So out of the core 5 she is still a massive question mark.
  10. I think Sophie's comments are supported by the canon of the show though. Her coronation with her long freeflowing hair... https://www.historytoday.com/sites/default/files/liz1_coronation.jpg She never married and never had a child. Book Wise, the last marriage out of House Stark to produce children was Jocelyn, the heirs in the Vale Cat mentions when Robb is writing his will.
  11. Yes, a story about dynastic lineages ends with no marriages, no children, no inkling of a stable future for Westeros
  12. People everywhere have been saying 'she was always an adventurer'. Where? Its got to the point where I think I'm missing something. I think the triumphant ending ruined the message of Arya's story. Its not triumphant. She wants home, she wants family. But she doesn't feel like she fits in with her family anymore. Gendry's legitimisation takes him away from her. She has nothing and nowhere so she's still wandering looking for home. And if you really want to get into it, the insistence that she is NEVER coming back, that its a task that people more skilled than her have attempted and disappeared, that the books heavily suggest Arya will die young because of her 'wolf blood' and you are looking at an ending that is downright grim. But the show doesn't give you that context of her journey because they want a truimphant montage.
  13. The Jon parentage thing is on hold. It will be back next week. He needs to tell his sisters
  14. So I take it that this means the 'Bride of Fire' trilogy relates to the Three Mounts you must ride. The Silver and the Ship with Aeron on the Prow fits that. But these are very literal compared to the blue rose in the wall of ice. We assumed the Blue rose was Jon but the other two are not as figurative. I would assume that she will need to 'mount' this wall of ice as in climb it?
  15. I was bothered that it was so easy and clean for Dany. Drogon went for the harpies with no other damage? Wasn't she meant to be whipping him and having her hair burnt off?
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