Winter prince Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 If it wasn't Jaime guarding the Mad King would anyone else have stopped him when he went to burn the city? The honor debate between Ned Stark and Ser Barristan got me thinking; would Barristan the Bold kill the King and save the people? Probably not. I think that Jaime is the only member of the KG that would go through with it. I think most the others would stand idly by, but this isn't about me... What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblackdragonI Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Well Jaime was the only KG member in the city at the time. If the whole order was there I'd imagine that Barristan or Arthur Dayne would be cut down by their comrades as they were renowned for their honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensenmenn Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 If there were no KG in kingslanding would any one have stopped the mad king? I think that they all would have served till death with out question Jamie is the only one who would have done anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GyantSpyder Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 No. "There are no men like me. Only me." - Jaime Lannister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joy Hill Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Sandor Clegane would (well, unless he becomes terrified and simply assumes the fetal position). Dunk too. But among Aerys' KG, probably noone (although other than Barristan, we don't know enough about them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightTime Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 When your king tells you to kill your father... but what if your king is in truth your father... And mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensenmenn Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 27 minutes ago, KnightTime said: When your king tells you to kill your father... but what if your king is in truth your father... And mad This!!!!^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buried Treasure Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Jaime also killed the pyromancer, which was key to saving the city as Aerys was not intending to light the wildfire caches himself. I don't think the likes of Barristan would have killed the king, but I do think he would have killed Rossart to stop him from killing thousands, then stayed to guard Aerys and prevent him giving more orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter prince Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 24 minutes ago, Buried Treasure said: Jaime also killed the pyromancer, which was key to saving the city as Aerys was not intending to light the wildfire caches himself. I don't think the likes of Barristan would have killed the king, but I do think he would have killed Rossart to stop him from killing thousands, then stayed to guard Aerys and prevent him giving more orders. You definitely just added another layer to this. That would be quite the turn of events... and muddy up Ned taking the throne for Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter prince Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 hour ago, KnightTime said: When your king tells you to kill your father... but what if your king is in truth your father... And mad Mind blown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BricksAndSparrows Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I feel like there are very few absolute principles in life. You can always dream up some sort of scenario or what if.. If there was ever a reason for a knight of the Kingsguard to slay his own King, it was the Jamie and Aerys scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurid Jester Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 2 hours ago, KnightTime said: When your king tells you to kill your father... but what if your king is in truth your father... And mad Oh lord. Everyone is a secret Targ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurid Jester Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 38 minutes ago, BricksAndSparrows said: I feel like there are very few absolute principles in life. You can always dream up some sort of scenario or what if.. If there was ever a reason for a knight of the Kingsguard to slay his own King, it was the Jamie and Aerys scenario. Very true. Jamie would have probably been an amazing Knight if it wasn't for Cersie. Granted... without Cersie he wouldn't have been there to stop Aerys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter prince Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 58 minutes ago, BricksAndSparrows said: I feel like there are very few absolute principles in life. You can always dream up some sort of scenario or what if.. If there was ever a reason for a knight of the Kingsguard to slay his own King, it was the Jamie and Aerys scenario. Unfortunately, I can dream up more while we all patiently await TWOW, but agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dariopatke Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Buried Treasure said: Jaime also killed the pyromancer, which was key to saving the city as Aerys was not intending to light the wildfire caches himself. I don't think the likes of Barristan would have killed the king, but I do think he would have killed Rossart to stop him from killing thousands, then stayed to guard Aerys and prevent him giving more orders. This. I think any member of that KG would do it, yes we do not have a lot of info about them, but they were at least true knights that swore an oath to protect weak and those that cant defend themselves. I have another question, if ser Barristan fe killed Rossart and is outside throne room, Ned walks in with his men , what would he do? Kill Aers? Imprison him and present him to Robert? Sorry for going off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurid Jester Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 30 minutes ago, dariopatke said: This. I think any member of that KG would do it, yes we do not have a lot of info about them, but they were at least true knights that swore an oath to protect weak and those that cant defend themselves. Rhaella was weak and unable to protect herself. Quote The day he burned his mace-and-dagger Hand, Jaime and Jon Darry had stood at guard outside her bedchamber whilst the king took his pleasure. "You're hurting me," they had heard Rhaella cry through the oaken door. "You're hurting me." In some queer way, that had been worse than Lord Chelsted's screaming. "We are sworn to protect her as well," Jaime had finally been driven to say. "We are," Darry allowed, "but not from him." I think they would have stood by and let it happen, warm and confortable in their belief that they were just doing their duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dariopatke Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Lurid Jester said: Rhaella was weak and unable to protect herself. I think they would have stood by and let it happen, warm and confortable in their belief that they were just doing their duty. This was different, 500k lives were on table and a man who is going to be dead in minutes, why not save innocent lives by killing Rossart and then die defending King? They had to listen amd watch Rhaella, Rickard and Brandon and others, but this was very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueNightzx Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 "The habit of obedience runs deep" They would resign themselves to a fiery death, probably thinking that they will burn for honor and duty and become legends. only jaime, or another "chaotic" alignment character would do it, the likes of Bronn, oberyn, darkstar, daario, the hound. but of the KG? no, none of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurid Jester Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, dariopatke said: This was different, 500k lives were on table and a man who is going to be dead in minutes, why not save innocent lives by killing Rossart and then die defending King? They had to listen amd watch Rhaella, Rickard and Brandon and others, but this was very different. What are the lives of a few small folk to the honor of a knight? I'm exaggerating of course, but I think the veteran KG would weigh their personal honor (and the loss of it if they disobeyed or stood against the king) as a much higher cost than a city and it's inhabitants. Remember the world they live in. A world where a family line is expunged because of the sins of the lord. A world where raping and pillaging is carried out by the armies of the "good" guys. Life is cheap in Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter prince Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 So I guess the biggest reason I wrote this is to ask the question: which knight could live with breaking the KG vow? And I think someone like Ser Barristan wouldn't let it tarnish his reputation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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