Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 What is the logic behind those who insist that Jon will sit the Iron Throne? He has the honor of Ned Stark and he is a sworn brother of the Nights Watch. I only enjoy him because of his decision to remain on the watch after counsel from Aemon and Jeor Mormont. I think it's a big part of his character development. I happen to think Jon ever leaving the NW cheapens his character. Now being that Jon is a brother of the NW, and since he probably will be until his death (assuming he is alive at the end of ADWD), where is all the Jon for King opinion coming from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterz Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I assume everyone wants him for King (if he really is from R+L) because they dislike the other two possible Targaryen choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Walrus Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I assume everyone wants him for King (if he really is from R+L) because they dislike the other two possible Targaryen choices.And if they reject Stannis as a possibility... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo Attano Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Because they're fanboys/girls, pretty much. And they seem to be ignoring the exsistence of Tommen, Myrcella, Stannis, Shireen, Dany & fAegon (and Euron, but he's hardly a threat). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 I assume everyone wants him for King (if he really is from R+L) because they dislike the other two possible Targaryen choices. I'm not even getting at that. I'm asking how do they expect it could even happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 He's got a good sense of honor he learned from Eddard and Jeor. He has humility from being raised a bastard. He learned to get over prejudices like most misconceptions of wildlings, and started to realize they were not so different. And he has a good claim.Sounds kingly to me.Also, couldn't the "honorable" thing to do be sit the throne that needs a leader that people will flock to? Rhaegar was loved by many, and even though most on here scoff at the idea of a 'rightful king,' the people of Westeros have shown they like to look at someone as their leader. That was the case with Robb. He didn't declare himself king; he was made a king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I feel the same way. The only reason I like Jon as a character is because he's just a bastard and is dedicated to the Night's Watch, and his whole storyarc is pretty much about him trying to make something of himself. That's why him becoming LC was pretty interesting and well-deserved.Jon the Azor Ahai, Jon the Targ King that was promised, Jon the King in the North, and all that crap would ruin the character. I'd expect that from a Disney fairy tale. Jon becoming the greatest LC thus far would make more sense.Doesn't really make sense, unless George is planing to do a complete 180 with the character. But whatever tickles your pickle, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Actually I'd say that most realistic Jon fans, from my observations, don't see him taking over the Iron Throne. Rather, if we see him governing anywhere, it's in the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Walrus Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Actually I'd say that most realistic Jon fans, from my observations, don't see him taking over the Iron Throne. Rather, if we see him governing anywhere, it's in the North.Wait a second, if Jon would be ruling the North, then were does that leave Rickon? I'd assume Rickon would come before Jon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 Actually I'd say that most realistic Jon fans, from my observations, don't see him taking over the Iron Throne. Rather, if we see him governing anywhere, it's in the North. I recognize that and I intentionally omitted them from the OP in order to highlight those that do advocate Jon sitting on the IT. They're who I'm curious about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 What is the logic behind those who insist that Jon will sit the Iron Throne? Ladies and gentlemen,Behind doors number 1 is a young, incompetent boy-King with particular love towards kittens. His innocence and kindness are legendary, he is a sweet boy of questionable parentage - King TommenBehind doors number 2 is just, but uncompromising follower of R`hllor fate. His mental and emotional stability isn`t his best suit, but what he lacks in numbers, he makes up with his iron fist - His Grace King StannisAnd, now behind doors number 3 is Mother of Dragons, beautiful but hormonally unstable teenager with weapons of mass destruction. She is just a young girl, but that doesn`t mean that she didn`t send thousands to death and even more to famine - please welcome from far East, Queen Daenerys.And, for the end, behind doors number 4 is a dragon of questionable color, boy who is great in cyvasse, and even better in patience. His allies are spider of KL and cheesemonger of Pentos. He has no dragons maybe, but he has Targaryen`s idea of grandeur. An entitled little brat with great ambitions - one last applause for Aegon Targaryen aka Young Griff aka mummer`s dragon.And now do you really want to ask again why we hope someone else to take the Throne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Walrus Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Behind doors number 2 is just, but uncompromising follower of R`hllor fate. His mental and emotional stability isn`t his best suit, but what he lacks in numbers, he makes up with his iron fist - His Grace King StannisUmm, how is Stannis emotionally or mentally unstable, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Wait a second, if Jon would be ruling the North, then were does that leave Rickon? I'd assume Rickon would come before Jon...If Robb explicitly named Jon in his will, then it's Jon. Or Jon is Rickon's regent. Or the bannermen go to Jon because he's older, regardless of the so-called bastard rule.The Jon-Rickon thing has been hashed out on here plenty of times, I'd've thought you'd've seen it by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Walrus Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 The Jon-Rickon thing has been hashed out on here plenty of times, I'd've thought you'd've seen it by now.I've tended to stay out of the majority of Jon related threads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 Ladies and gentlemen,Behind doors number 1 is a young, incompetent boy-King with particular love towards kittens. His innocence and kindness are legendary, he is a sweet boy of questionable parentage - King TommenBehind doors number 2 is just, but uncompromising follower of R`hllor fate. His mental and emotional stability isn`t his best suit, but what he lacks in numbers, he makes up with his iron fist - His Grace King StannisAnd, now behind doors number 3 is Mother of Dragons, beautiful but hormonally unstable teenager with weapons of mass destruction. She is just a young girl, but that doesn`t mean that she didn`t send thousands to death and even more to famine - please welcome from far East, Queen Daenerys.And, for the end, behind doors number 4 is a dragon of questionable color, boy who is great in cyvasse, and even better in patience. His allies are spider of KL and cheesemonger of Pentos. He has no dragons maybe, but he has Targaryen`s idea of grandeur. An entitled little brat with great ambitions - one last applause for Aegon Targaryen aka Young Griff aka mummer`s dragon.And now do you really want to ask again why we hope someone else to take the Throne? this is funny and all, but it doesn't answer my question. How exactly is this supposed to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLE Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Also, Aegon isn't even particularly good at cyvasse. Tyrion has the beating of him. Aegon's tendency is to bring his dragon out too soon and lose it... Guess what he just did when he insisted on revealing his identity for one of Jon Connington's early conquests? Showed his dragon too early... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I've tended to stay out of the majority of Jon related threads...Then go read them if you want to know what points have been brought up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Walrus Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Then go read them if you want to know what points have been brought up.In that case i'm off to find them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Regarding the general obsession with who will end up on the iron throne, i'm beginning to wonder if the word 'iron' is being used as a nod to iron-ore, fools gold. The throne's made of steel, after all. We see the iron coin, which can't be spent, and is therefore contradictory to it's meaning - and i fully expect the same sentiment of the iron throne ultimately - it will hold no power against it's purported status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetitansbastard Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 this is funny and all, but it doesn't answer my question. How exactly is this supposed to happen?I don't think anyone is in a position to have a good answer, its near impossible to predict what is going to unfold in the series. But there seems to be a clear lack of alternatives, I think that was the point. That's why I'm firmly in the camp that no one will sit the IT at the conclusion, but I'm far from confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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