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  1. Sorry, what speech are you referring to? I didn't mean to imply Jon and Dany's love was as deep as Jaime and Cersei's. I was merely pointing to Jaime as an example that love often doesn't make sense, not even to the person who is in love.
  2. Her saving you from death multiple times and fighting a war for you against the undead would seem to make his love the slightest bit merited, wouldn't it? I agree it was hard for me to understand how he could fall in love with her at first. But she has other characteristics that would appeal to him. Her compassion, and he desire to make the world a better place. "Breaking the wheel" would certainly appeal to a bastard in that kind of society. And plus, love is not logical. Jaime acknowledges that Cersei is a hateful person and tries to break his bond with her, but in the end his love for won out.
  3. Excellent points! I have been frustrated by forum members who insist on limiting GoT to our actual medieval history. I assume you are referring to the "Foundation" series? I have not read that yet as I have never been much of a fan of sci-fi books, but it is actually next on my list as soon as I finish the book I'm on now. Your reference is making even that much more anxious to read them!
  4. I don't see any reason the show should cause me to view the books in a negative light. As of book 5, the show had diverged from the books quite a lot. I have seen articles where GRRM said the show and books will end the same, but I have seen as many articles saying the opposite. Even if the books end the same as the show, the book will arrive at that ending differently, so I am very much looking forward to the books and really, really he does actually finish them.
  5. Sure, cuz there are no real world or "Westerosi world" precedents for an inexperienced teenager to become king. And why are you so hung up on the fact that he is crippled? I've already stated what unique qualifications Bran has, so I won't repeat that here. And again, the old way wasn't working, so they're trying a new way. To say feudal monarchy has been totally thrown out the window when they've only changed one aspect of it is ludicrous. There is much more to feudal monarchy than just how kings are chosen, and that is all still intact. Plus, although this is inspired by medieval Europe, it's not. It's a fictional world of Jordan's making so to expect everything to follow medieval European feudalism exactly limits the creativity of the author. I was not comparing Dany to Cersei. Of course Cersei was an evil tyrant who needed to be overthrown and executed. I was evaluating Dany based mainly on her own merits, but also that of her ancestors. It was not all good times when the Targaryens ruled. Have you forgotten their civil war? How many of them were crazy? There's a reason for the saying "every time a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin". Her father burned people alive! And now that's Dany's method of execution. Just because I wouldn't want Cersei as queen doesn't mean I'd want Dany either. And she was a foreign invader in the eyes of the Westerosi. She never lived there; they didn't know her from Eve. And talk about inspiring loyalty? You don't inspire loyalty by demanding people bend the knee or die. That's inspiring fear. No, I can't say his reign would immediately be a disaster. That's just your opinion. He's inexperienced, but he has knowledge no one else has, and he has advisors. Every good king has good advisors and listens to them. Only time can tell what his reign would be. Realism? You mean with the dragons, a woman who can't be harmed by fire, priestesses who raise people from the dead, malevolent ice monsters and zombies, assassins who can wear other people's faces, etc. You mean that level of realism. It's a fantasy series. If it's not realistic enough for you, I would suggest you give up on fantasy. You and I are clearly gonna have to agree to disagree.
  6. Yes, inspiring loyalty is extremely important. Not having that ability is a stumbling block but not insurmountable. My point is there are ways to inspire loyalty other than being charismatic. Bran already has the loyalty of all the major houses in Westeros due simply to his being the best person to be made king. She was unloved because she was a foreign Targaryen invader who came to Westeros with her dragons and her armies demanding everyone bend the knee to her for no more reason than because she was the daughter of an evil king whom they hated. Not to mention they remember what happened the last time a Targaryen invaded with his dragons (something Dany was counting on). If that happened in the real world (and it has), how would you react? Thrown out the window is an overstatement, but yes, they took the first step in abolishing feudal monarchy by changing the way succession to the throne is determined. So now the power balance between king and nobles has changed, but that's all. The rest of feudalism is still alive and well. If you were a Dany fan, I would think you would appreciate this particular development because the abuses of power in the feudal system is part of the wheel Dany wanted to break!
  7. I don't think it was ever meant to be a major plot line. Cersei paid them back.
  8. As far as Tyrion's intelligence goes, it depends what you're talking about. When it was just about politics and playing the game, he was quite bright. But when he had to start making military decisions, that was when he failed. So I would say he is smart in politics and administration, but a complete dunce about military matters. I totally agree about Bronn. Still scratching my head over that one. There had to be some other way to show us he was Lord of Highgarden.
  9. To clarify, he said he lives mostly in the past.
  10. I recall that being said at one point as well, although I don't remember when it was. However, I get the impression his visions of the future are limited and not necessarily of his choosing, whereas he can see everything past and present.
  11. He knows the entire history of Westeros. He knows every mistake that was made and the repercussions of them. That makes him uniquely qualified not to repeat them. Plus, he doesn't want power, and his lack of emotion means he will not make emotional decisions. The problem with all our world's governments is they are run by humans and humans are subject to corruption. Someone who doesn't "want" anymore has no basis for corruption. He may not be appealing, but that doesn't mean he won't make a good king.
  12. The small folk will be happy if there is peace and their bellies are full. Since when does charisma make a good ruler? Hitler was very charismatic. And he doesn't need to be charismatic to be a good leader. Ultimately, he needs to make good decisions that will make life for the Westerosi people the best it can be.
  13. I thought it was awesome!!! Considering how rushed the season has been, I really wondered how they were going to be able to finish it up well, and I was very pleasantly surprised. I cried so much! First when Tyrion found Jaime's hand. Ripped my heart out. Blubbered like a baby when Jon killed Dany, esp when Drogon kept nudging her, and even worse when Arya said good bye to Jon. I totally called Bran being made king a couple seasons ago; I can't believe it! I have never called anything like that before. "Why do you think I came all this way?" So, I guess, Bran can see the future, at least some things? All in all, I think everyone ended up where they needed/deserved to be. Didn't like Bronn being on the small council, though. I loved him for his snarkiness, but a sell sword on the small council? I know he's finally received his payment, but he's always been out for himself, and now they're going to trust him to do the best for the realm? Hmmmm. Then again, he did say the founders of all the great houses had been cutthroats. Brienne finishing Jaime's page in the book of knights with tears in her eyes, heartbreaking but appropriate. And Pod a Kingsguard. Too cool. They pulled Edmure out of obscurity so he could make an ass of himself one last time. I know a lot of people are gonna hate Sansa being Queen in the North, but really, who else is there? It has to be a Stark, and she is the only one who always looked out for the interests of the North. She was being groomed for it ever since she went to Kings Landing. And it's a cool bit of irony that at the beginning of the show she couldn't wait to get out of the North, and now she's the North's champion. I know a lot of people will not be happy about Tyrion being made hand either. But he was at his best when he was standing in for his father as Hand of the King to Joffrey and when he first started advising Dany on political matters only. It was when he had to make decisions regarding warfare that he failed miserably. He has a brilliant political mind, but a lousy military mind. A lot of people think he was trying to save Cersei for his own sake, but I believer it was purely for Jaime's sake. When they're walking through the rubble at the beginning, he says he needs to find Jaime. Nothing about Cersei. I really loved it when he stood up to Dany with complete anger and disgust in his eyes (he has great eyes). I thought it was great that neither Jon nor Tyrion got off scott free. They both did what they did knowing full well the consequences, and they were ready to accept them. Their conversation in Tyrion's cell may have been the best part of the episode. I wondered if Tyrion would say something about pissing off the end of the world. The scene with Drogon's wings unfolding behind Dany was some seriously good cinematography. Also liked him roaring at the end of Dany's speech, and melting the Iron Throne was totally awesome. So, Westeros is not ready for democracy, but they're on their way to representative government. Yay! I didn't get that impression. All the Lannister soldiers seemed to have surrendered last episode. Jon didn't believe in Dany more, but remember he is loyal to a fault. None of them wanted to believe she was what she had become because they all loved her (love is the death of duty). Varys was the first to accept reality I think, because of what he had seen before with other rulers. In the end, Dany's character WAS a driving force for good. Her ideal about how to get there just became very warped. Tyrion said it very well.
  14. About how he hates the bells because they always mean something bad has happened. What of it? How is that evidence of your scorching evaluation on the show?
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