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  1. WolfOfWinter

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    I don't believe he's the real deal either, but I think it's one of the things Martin will keep ambiguous for characters as well as the readers. And ultimately, I foresee this being a dilemma of whether his legitimacy matters or not from a moral standpoint if he can manage to restore peace in Westeros and be a competent king to the people. The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that the books will also have Cersei and Euron on the Iron Throne during the Long Night. I don't have any deep analysis to prove it, but Euron's presence was so insignificant that I'm convinced he was only kept in the story because of his future alliance with Cersei in the books. I can totally see Euron getting a dragon and destroying the Wall before ditching everyone to deal with the mess while he takes advantage of the situation. The way I think it'll go is that Dany will kill fAegon and become the most hated person in Westeros. This will lead her to join the fight against the Others, both because it's the right thing to do and because of good PR. Except the Westerosi will continue to hate her because of her reputation as a kinslayer as well everything else she'll be associated with. Meanwhile, during what was meant to be her positive PR campaign, Euron and Cersei will take over KL. It will be a massive setback to what should have been a successful campaign, and she won't even have gained the love of her allies. Feeling like she's sacrificed so much for nothing in return except for a reluctant alliance with the North/Vale/Riverlands, she'll torch KL to the ground. Basically, I think Dany's journey in the last season was very true to what book!Dany's will be. It's the lack of Aegon and the destructiveness of her invasion, as well as the implication that she stabilized SB, that takes so much away from the story.
  2. Everyone on here is gonna tune in out of genuine interest, curiosity, or a reason to continue ranting about the show.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Dany will win the battle but Aegon will win the war. Killing him will destroy Dany, emotionally as well as politically. Jaime's still loathed 18 years later for killing a mad king. Dany killing a beloved and competent king who's also her nephew after supposedly killing her own brother and husband? She's so fucked. The show has proven more than anything how important fAegon is to the overall story.
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    The character assassination of Daenerys

    We're talking about a character who told a bunch of terrified soldiers she only invaded their country to save them from oppression, before telling them to bend the knee or burn alive. Who smirked at the Northern peasants running away in terror at the sights of her dragons because she didn't like that they distrusted and disliked her. Who fed some random man to her dragons before admitting that she didn't care whether he was innocent or not (after beheading a former slave for killing a Son of the Harpy because "everyone deserves a trial". Who actually had to be reminded that trials were a thing by Barristan. And who literally had to be talked down from crucifying every master, killing every soldier, and burning Yunkai and Astapor to the ground. She was never a graceful ruler. Deluded and cruel? Absolutely. Her biggest accomplishment was somehow tricking her fanbase into believing that she only invaded a foreign country for the commoners' sake. Like she wasn't willing to wage war against Westeros when Tommen and Margaery ruled Westeros. Or like she didn't ally herself with Ellaria and the Sand Snakes, who only came to power after murdering two innocent children, one of them the niece to her Hand, and the rightful ruler of Dorne. I can't wait to see her transform into a tyrant in the books (if we ever get them), and for Jon to choose the Starks over her. It's going to be glorious.
  5. WolfOfWinter

    Anyone else annoyed that Tyrion is hand again?

    1. He was screwed either way. He was trying to make a deal on behalf of the Mother of Dragons when she'd ditched town and there were no dragons to help him win. He wasn't dumb; he just had no power to enforce his will. 2. The Red Keep where Cersei intended to gather as many civilians as possible? Wasn't Dany's whole shtick that she was different from all the other rulers, and that she only invaded Westeros to free them from oppression? Cool. 3. Oath to whom as Tarly even pointed out? Olenna turned to a foreign invader with a Dothraki army for help out of vengeance and in the process screwed her own people over. Besides, Tyrion advised her to behead Randyll and imprison Dickon. She refused because she didn't believe in forcing people in chains. She just happened to forget her prisoner Jon Snow back on Dragonstone, and burned two men alive when people already feared she was a pyromaniac like her daddy. We can debate the morality of it all day, but from a strategic POV, it just reinforced that she was a hypocrite who had no desire to be different from all the previous tyrants. It's also what turned several other characters against her, including Varys. 4. Flying beyond the Wall had no positive impact on her relationship with the North. It didn't benefit her in any way beyond Jon forcing his people to kneel. But it did give the NK a dragon and the means to cross the Wall, so cool. 5. Yes, that was stupid. So basically the argument is that Tyrion gave Dany bad advice as well. I never negated that. All I did was point out that Tyrion gave her good advice as well. Too bad he ended up with a leader who never had a good idea beyond wanting to burn shit to the ground. This is a person who thought that legitimizing a Baratheon bastard was some epic machiavellian move on her part. She was doomed for failure.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    The Northerners' fight for independence is a lot more bloody and drawn out in the books. And it's going to sting a lot more once Dany, whose Dothraki and dragons won't be as mellow in the books, flies in and forces them to kneel/Jon gives up sovereignty in the books. That's more than enough reason for the other Starks and the North to stand up against Dany. That's not even the most important part. We learn in Arianne's chapter that rumors about Dany killing her own brother to usurp him and then her husband for the same reason are spreading from Essos to Westeros. And now she's being set up to kill Aegon, her own nephew as well as her rightful king. Kingslayers and kinslayers are already loathed in Westeros, so why would the North and the Vale ever be comfortable kneeling to a person who's an oathbreaker extraordinaire? Moreover, how do you think the Starks are going to feel once they find out that their own brother is also Dany's nephew after she's already killed another nephew? It's absolutely going to cause a rift between them even if they were otherwise amenable to each other. Pitting the Starks against Dany, both sides who for the longest time have been considered the heroes, is a very Martin thing to do; especially after pitting Dany against one-dimensional villains for so long.
  7. WolfOfWinter

    Anyone else annoyed that Tyrion is hand again?

    There's plenty of things wrong with the way Tyrion is written but the idea that he never gave any good advice to Dany is just laughable. He's the one who talked her down from burning her enemies' ships by reminding her that she kinda needed ships to set sail towards Westeros. He talked her down from burning Astapor and Yunkai to the ground which would have destroyed any chance she had of gaining anyone's trust in Westeros, including Jon's. He carefully wrote the summons asking Jon to come to Dragonstone because Dany lacked tact, and he persuaded her to let Jon mine the dragonglass which ended up saving the world. He told her not to fly beyond the Wall which is where she practically handed the NK a dragon. Her going against his advice to burn the Tarlys was the beginning of her downfall. Finally, he and Varys advised her to let the remaining of Cersei's allies abandon her and for the new Prince of Dorne to join their side, but she couldn't wait a few weeks. The problem with show!Tyrion is that his job was to constantly reign in Dany's impulses and steer her clear from committing atrocities. Nine out of ten times his job was to talk her off the ledge and remind her that burning people alive was bad. And a large part of that is obviously due to the writing, but Tyrion's function was very different from his function as a Hand during season two. That said, Tyrion's true desire was to become Lord of Casterly Rock, which his position as Hand of the Kind robbed him of. It felt more like a punishment than anything since the realm was one big clusterfuck. It's going to be worse in the books where Martin won't just keep the Dothraki on Dragonstone, fAegon will fight the Tyrells and Lannisters, Euron will have a bigger role, and the Others will be a much bigger threat. Why would anyone want to be in charge of overseeing the aftermath of that?
  8. WolfOfWinter

    Could Dany conquer Dorne with a Dothraki horde?

    Even if she somehow conquers it, she won't be able to hold it unless she'll decide to become the Queen of Dorne and Dorne only. But seeing as her goal is to conquer the whole of Westeros, at most she'll have to pass Dorne and take down as many insurgents as possible before moving on.
  9. The North wanted independence because they consistently got screwed over by the Iron Throne throughout the last several years, are regarded as uncivilized savages for having a different culture and customs, had two of their liege lords dishonorably killed, and almost got wiped out fighting off an apocalyptic event with practically no help from the rest of the realm (except the Vale) which everyone else benefited massively from despite their lack of contribution. Moreover, even Dany, an important ally who helped them fight off a world-ending event ended up screwing them over by forcing their traumatized and weary men into a war they weren't ready for, because she couldn't wait a week for the rest of Cersei's allies to abandon her. Why on earth wouldn't they want independence after the trauma, betrayal and loss they've suffered?
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    Dany and child murder

    Yes, Dany is a child murderer who butchered children for being raised in a society in which they had no say in, despite her own hatred for Mirri for supposedly killing her own child for being the son of a slaver, which he had no say in, and a prophesied Dark Lord. Yes, that makes Dany a massive hypocrite because of her anger at Robert for what happened to Elia and her children, and Mirri for what happened to Rhaego. Not to mention the fact that she at almost 15 went to Astapor to buy a slave army to begin with even though she, unlike those Astapori children, grew up in Braavos where slavery was forbidden and where she had enjoyed a different way of life, and so knew better. Because spending almost a year with the Dothraki and witnessing the enslavement, rape and murder of the Lamb People wasn't enough to inform her that slavery was bad; clearly those Astapori children should have known better themselves and rebelled against all the adults, like Dany rebelled against Illyrio, Drogo and the Qartheen... oh wait. As always where Dany is concerned, the discussion is derailed because people feel the need to bring up what other characters have done to absolve her of her crimes. Robb fighting a war and children dying in that war is a very far cry from Dany having complete control over the most disciplined army in the world, and the only army in Astapor, and choosing to command them to kill unarmed, unsuspecting children down to the age of twelve (and younger unless the Unsullied went around asking for their IDs) for the sins of their fathers. Were the children casualties of a battle? No. They were victims of Dany's very specific command to have the Unsullied kill as many of the male children as possible as a punishment for growing up in a society where they at that point had no agency despite Dany herself only being there in the first place because she intended to buy a slave army. This was Dany's very own Rains of Castamere moment and a very good indicator of how proficient she is at justifying her own atrocities with the way she then continues to lament how horrible child murderers are and how the intends to punish the Dothraki for killing poor Eroeh, a child(!!), but never seems to dwell on what she did to those little boys.
  11. WolfOfWinter

    The purpose of Dany's fireproofness?

    Having her cow the Dothraki into submission by burning them with Drogon would make her look bad, but having her only gather the evilest Dothraki in one place and burning them herself made her look good and empowered for not relying on her dragon at all times. Plus it mirrored her season one ending with the Dothraki thinking she was special and what not instead of fearing her.
  12. WolfOfWinter

    The North is finally independent

    Would that be the Sansa who accepted her bastard brother being crowned instead of her, Ned Stark's legitimate daughter, after she asked the man who sold her to a monster for help and saved the day during the Battle of the Bastards because Jon couldn't be bothered to ask more Northern houses for help? Who only agreed to marry Ramsay because she thought it would help House Stark get the North back? Who then ruled in her absent king's stead for several months with no contact with him, only to learn that he'd bent the knee to a woman who'd imprisoned him on Dragonstone, and against every Northerner's desire, because he was in love with her? The man who then marched his exhausted and traumatized army south because their new ruler couldn't be bothered to wait a few weeks for Cersei's own people to turn against her? And Sansa, who, despite all this, still marched the remaining, exhausted army south to free her brother and then expressed genuine regret that the North would be absent their king? Sansa already stepped aside for Jon when she had both the better claim and had the whole North and the Vale ready to crown her in season seven. Meanwhile, Dany who haughtily denounced Robert Baratheon as a usurper for disposing of her family, and who constantly stressed how Westeros was hers because she had the rightful claim, went against her own principles and abandoned her own logic the moment she found out about Jon's claim, thus proving that she herself was a usurper. Ironic. The ending more than anything has made me excited about the books.
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    Your biggest what if?

    It would have been perfectly safe to have him fostered at Greywater Watch with Howland Reed. Not only does he know of Jon's parentage, but Lyanna was also his friend and he'd do right by her son. Besides, the crannogmen mostly keep to themselves so it wouldn't even be an issue where the rest of the North is concerned because they don't spare them much thought as it is. As to the OP, I like wondering about how small changes could have major ramifications for the story. Like if Sansa hadn't gone to Cersei then her and Arya would have possibly gotten home (unless LF interfered), but then they'd be at WF once Theon took it, and I think Ramsay would have ensured Theon keep Sansa under watch 24/7 so he could marry her himself later on. Or if Ned had allowed Loras to go after the Mountain, then he'd most certainly be dead and the Tyrells would never side with the Lannisters following Renly's death which would be great for Robb.
  14. WolfOfWinter

    Big Little Lies: Throwing Shade with Style [season 2 spoilers]

    The woman in the supermarket is married to the man Madeline had an affair with, which she discovered at the end of last season. I thought as funny as that scene was in its awkwardness, it was also super sad to see how she'd been affected by her husband's extramarital affair to the point of changing her own body. It's also a possibility that she's looking to get back at Madeline by trying to seduce her husband.
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    Why aren’t people intimidated by the dragons?

    No one's going to be rolling over for the dragons in the books either. Especially not with the fear of Dany being just like her father looming over everyone's heads. We saw how effective Cersei was with her propaganda in the show, and she made it pretty clear that Dany's army, especially the Dothraki, threatened the safety of the entire realm. In their minds, letting Dany sit the throne would have doomed them anyway while fighting against her at least provided them some chance of winning. Keep in mind that the dragons during Aegon's conquest were massive and complete strange creatures none of the Westerosi had experienced, yet many initially fought the Targaryens anyway. By comparison, Dany's dragons are much smaller and history has already proven that dragons aren't undefeatable.
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