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Nathan Stark

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  1. Oh, who can say what Larys Strong's motivations were? He's basically Varys. Cole was the smart one, and Aemond was an unstable moron with a dragon. I think that at some point, Cole decided Aemond was too leaky a vessel to put much hope in, and tried to salvage the situation on his own. Not that it helped him much. I think Deamon and Nettles had a father/daughter dynamic. I would be dissapointed if they were lovers, because Nettles is such a cool badass, while Deamon is legitmately an awful human being. I genuinely believe Helena killed herself. Watching her son be brutally murdered, after being forced into a twisted Sophie's Choice situation really did break her. I do not think she wanted to continue living after suffering through those atrocities. And I can think of no way for anyone to gain from killing her. It seems to me that her death was swept under the rug as much as possible, which implies her death was an inconveniance, not something that was planned for. So yeah, Helena probably committed suicide. That's my take, anyway.
  2. Agreed. Sansa was in Kings Landing for nearly three books. And she learned the things she needed to learn there. It's time for her story to progress, not backtrack to where she already was.
  3. Condratictory things can both be true simultaneously. Euron can be both full of shit about visiting Valyria and also immensely powerful with magical artifacts. He got the dragonhorn and the valyrian steel suit armor from somewhere. Whether he got them from Valyria, or bought or stole them from Volantis, either way, his having these things shows him to be resourceful, cunning and bold. All the textual evidence we have so far suggests the "Euron Apocalypse" theories are very, very plausible, even likely.
  4. What's amusing is the commenter who described Martin's saga as "unserious" would probably see Shakespear as "highbrow," a common perspective with modern elite gaurdians of literature. In fact, Shakespear was decidedly middlebrow, with sexual inuendo, dirty jokes, and puns aplenty for the unwashed masses, with social commentary and political support (propaganda for Queen Elizabeth) for the highbrow people.
  5. No. Martin has said Planetos is round.
  6. Because dumping a betrothal means you should be murdered, amirite?
  7. Nope. Northmen have been living there for far longer than any outside invader. They've seen tough winters and scraped by with little food before, and will do so again. And your argument cuts both ways. Invading armies have to eat too. Having dragons is nice when your enemies are foolish enough to take them on in open battle, but can do little to solve other problems, like aquiring food or navigating difficult terrain. Simply put, invading the North means having to hold it, and holding it is impossible. I think when discussing northerners, it is best to assume they would keep on resisting for as long as they could against outside invaders. And since they know the land better than outsiders do, they could make any resistence extremely effective. Dragons are powerful, but they can't solve every problem one is likely to encounter in war. The north is too big, too rugged and too cold for outsider armies to fight effectively, and even dragons can't be everywhere at once. And how could Aegon have blocked the seas? I didn't think he had much of a navy. That is not accurate. The NW regularly added new ice to the Wall, both to account for natural summer melt, and to make it ever higher. No one ever deliberately destroyed any part of the Wall, and at this point, it stands 800 feet high and is leagues across. It cannot be destroyed by men or by dragonfire.
  8. Since dragons are mysteriously unable to fly past the Wall, I find it unlikely they'd be able to destroy it. It is gaurded by extremely powerful magic. An invasion of the north would go extremely badly for the invaders, dragons or no. You can invade the north, (assuming you got past Moat Cailyn) but holding it would be impossible during winter. Aegon the Conquerer got beat by the Dornish, even with three dragons, and something similar would have happened in the north too. King Torhen just didn't want to see his people suffer needlessly. The Yellow Toad cared more about her pride than her people, but Torhen Stark chose the more humane solution.
  9. That's true. Jaime respected the idea his father represents, but he has no discernable relationship with Tywin. We see the two of them together on the same page exactly one time, and it's when Jaime rejects Tywin's attemp to releive him from the Kingsgaurd. You really get the sense that Jaime really cares about Cersei and Tyrion. But it just doesn't seem he feels as strongly about Tywin. He honestly has a better relationship with his aunt Genna than he ever did with Tywin. I suspect this all applies to Cersei as well.
  10. That's a pretty convoluted twist in my opinion. But sure. I suppose all crackpots are created equal.
  11. All this time I thought I was reading high fantasy! Instead it's "The Book of Dany" from the Bible! Thanks George!
  12. The bigger issue is, what's the point? Craster's dead. So unless Monster at the Wall is the secret heir to Winterfell or something, this branch of speculation appears to be a dead end.
  13. Sansa: "courtesy is a ladies weapon." Arya: "look with your eyes."
  14. The problem with your position is that it isn't good storytelling. Taking the path of least resistance is just not a good way to build any kind of narrative momentum. And so far, Sansa's story has been all about her lack of agency, her desire to go home to her family thwarted by Lannisters, Tyrells, and Petyr Baelish. This mirrors Arya, who is also constantly derailed in her attempts to reach Robb and Catelyn. You are also overlooking Sansa's last chapter in A Game of Thrones: This passage basically spells it out for us; Kings Landing is a prison for Sansa from which she desperately wishes to escape. Winterfell is home for her, and she wants to go back to that place of safety and family. Her story is about how she gets home, and what she has to sacrifice, and do, and what temptations she needs to overcome, in order to go back to Winterfell, where her story began. This story is mirrored in Arya, who also wants to go back home, and also constantly faces obstacles and is similarly side-tracked. For Sansa or Arya to remain in place at the Vale or Braavos means that the story isn't progressing. And at the end of the day, this is a story, not a chess game, which I feel is how you are approaching things. Nymeria is still bonded to Arya, who regularly skinchanges Nymeria in her wolf-dreams. This suggest to me that Nymeria is not entirely severed from the pack. However, your larger point is correct in theory, but doesn't apply in this situation. Going back to the original quote by Ned: Again, it is spelled out for us where the story is headed. House Stark rises or falls depending on the unity of its members. The Stark siblings need each other. They need Jon's resolute certainty against the Others. They need Sansa's political savvy and social grace. They need Arya's resourcefulness and cunning. They need Bran's knowledge and magic. They need Rickon's stubborn willfulness. Seperate from each other, these qualities are enough for them to barely scrape by, to stay just ahead of those who would do them harm. But together, they are truly secure. This is their story, as much as it is Dany's and Tyrion's. And their story leads back to Winterfell.
  15. The skeletons aren't much evidence of anything. Sure, Bran's being there is probably a sign that the COTF want to use him for his powers, but that only tells us they are not to be trusted, not that their plans for Bran will actually work. He is going to leave (or escape) that cave eventually, maybe using the underground tunnels. And "Hold The Door" will probably occur during Bran's escape.
  16. It makes no sense for Sansa to stay in the south, anymore than for Arya to stay in Braavos or Bran to stay in the cave. That's stasis. It also doesn't make sense for these characters to go to Winterfell for 5 minutes only to leave it again after so much emotional buildup for their return. That's just returning to the status quo. The big theme with the Stark kids is "the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." So far, they are all lone wolves, each one of them. They must reunite to survive. Thematically, they all have to go home and become a family unit again.
  17. George R. R. Martin does have a certain fondness for redheads. His dream girl would probably be Catelyn.
  18. Each other. The Stark kids will be each other's advisors and agents. Otherwise, they need to maintain a certain distance even from their most devoted bannermen, because Houses Manderly, Umber, Glover etc. are all independent actors with their own interests and concerns apart from whether House Stark thrives. That's what Catelyn told Robb in AGoT: his bannermen are his subjects, not his friends. That said, members of House Manderly or House Umber and others would be a part of the Starks decision making and their higher councils, both to make use of these Houses and to make sure they stay in line. But politics requires a certain amount of cynicism to be effective.
  19. The argument for hypocrisy is that slaves should strike back against their masters. MMD was a slave who struck back against her masters, which included Dany. Her own worldview justifies MMD's betrayal, just not when it's Dany being turned against. That's hypocrisy. Understandable, but hypocritical nontheless.
  20. Sorry, but no. MMD's actions do not exist in a vacuum. She was raped many times, saw her village destroyed, and saw people she knew and loved murdered, raped and taken into slavery. Her grievances against the Dothraki and against Dany were legitimate. Killing the prophesied "Stallion who Mounts the World" is also not unjustified, given what we know of the Dothraki. But more to the point, MMD was a slave striking back against her masters. This is a central part of Danaerys's justification for war against slavery. Her choice to execute MMD in the most tortorously painful way imaginable is hypocritical in the extreme. Understandable, but hypocritical.
  21. I've always pronounced Sansa the way George does, and Arya as Ar-ee-ya. Never occurred to me to say them any different. Also, Americans say "disoriented," whereas Brits say "disorienTATED," proving once again that Brits don't speak english properly.
  22. Not really. Bran has the fewest amount of pov chapters of the Big Six. Jon, Arya and Tyrion have the most pov's by far, so purely by page count, they have larger roles in the story than Bran does. As a general matter, I consider Bran, Sansa and Davos to be "late story" protagonists, where their biggest affects have not yet been registered on the plot. But the attention and time devoted to Jon, Dany, and the Kings Landing storyline hardly suggest they are subplots. So far, they have been the main plot.
  23. Umm, no. As Hand, Tyrion had the option of sending Sansa back to her family in a prisoner exchange. He chose not too. When he was "forced" to marry her, he was allowed to choose to do so, with the promise of aquiring Winterfell. So no, he wasn't really "forced." Tyrion and Sansa were not equally wronged.
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