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  1. Yes, I like the Meereen chapters.
  2. Amris

    Dragons and one lion

    (1) The Great Empire of the Dawn and its gemstone emperors are in GRRM's background history book the World of Ice and Fire on page 301 in the history of Yi Ti. In case you don't have that book you can also find it here: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Great_Empire_of_the_Dawn One of the interesting things about it is that legends have it stem from a duality: the Lion of the Night and the Maiden-made-of-light. They had a son: the God on Earth who was the first Gemstone Emperor. And it also ended with a duality: the Blood Betrayal in which the last ruler, the Amethyst Empress, was being cast down by her envious brother who then ascended the throne as the Bloodstone Emperor. This event is said to have ushered in the first Long Night and destroyed the Great Empire of the Dawn. The duality in this story much reminds me of the duality of Ice and Fire in the current story. And in the current story of course another Long Night seems to be threatening. So that when what seem to be ghosts of the Gemstone Emperors from before the first Long Night appear in Dany's dream and spur her on that is extremely intriguing to me. It begs the question if Dany is related to them and what her role in the story will be and if she is maybe an incarnation of either the Amethyst Empress or the Bloodstone Emperor. And if the first ruler of the Great Empire of the Dawn was a synthesis between the duality - the son of Night and Light - then if that has any relevance to Jon being a synthesis of the current duality - Fire and Ice. (2) Your interpretation that Dany was alternating between her own point of view and the baby's fits the wording of the text. You may be right. I don't know if you are but you may be. If you are that would lead to a very curious question: how was Dany doing this? Was she kind of warging her son? (3) Yes, Dany carried to term. I know. Strictly speaking I misused the word miscarriage. I used it anyway because the baby was dead.
  3. What do you mean? I can tell you are being sarcastic but I don't know why you are. What are you trying to say?
  4. I have heard of the scenario you are describing and think it is well thought out. Especially the thing about the holes in the ice and the night lamp theory. The problem I have is my feeling is exactly opposite to yours: I feel like Stannis has to lose the battle for the story to progress. I don't know how Stannis can lose against the Frey's if they are obliging enough to come to him. When all they would have needed to do was stay put and let him starve and freeze to death. But if Stannis wins then he stays in the story. And that's a problem since we all suspect Jon needs to take the place of northern leader at some point. Stannis needs to go in order for Jon to get into position. If Stannis manages to take Winterfell and remove the Boltons then what is Jon supposed to do?
  5. Amris

    The Regret of Killing Characters

    Balon is an excellent suggestion! I always found Stannis sitting around in the North for 5 years twiddling his thumbs the most difficult thing to explain during a 5-year gap. The conflict between him and the Boltons was just too obvious to ignore for so long. But your Balon angle would alleviate that problem.
  6. One (among several other) inspirations for the Ironborn may be Tolkien's Corsairs from Umbar. After all Aragorn's army manages to 'appropriate' the Corsairs' ships in order to use them as transport to get to the Battle of Minas Tirith. If Dany ends up using Vic's ships to get her army to Westeros then that's a pretty clear parallel.
  7. Amris

    Does GRRM hate heroism or avoid it? (Jon and Quentyn comparison)

    You might as well ask: why does Frodo live while Gollum plunges into a pool of lava? Stories have main characters and side characters. That's the reason. We know from GRRM's outline that Jon has always been planned to be one of the five main characters. Whereas Quentyn isn't even mentioned in the outline. Thus Quentyn clearly is a side character with a limited function in the story. Likely the function of screwing up Dany's Dorne connections and maybe also to show us that taming a dragon isn't at all easy and likely to go wrong. Once these functions were fulfilled there was no reason for the story to keep him around. That's all there is to it. Nothing to do with magical or noble blood or the lack thereof.
  8. Amris

    Dragons and one lion

    Even though I find your Shiera idea not overly likely I find it appealing and would be pleased if something like that happened in the books. Anyway I would really like to know who Quaithe is and what motivates her. As to the smiling stars: I can't rule out anything but too me it seems likely Quaithe (whoever she may be) is on occasion using a glass candle to communicate with Dany. Like when Dany has that Quaithe vision on the pyramid. Yes, Quaithe may be influencing Dany's fever dream during the Rhaego miscarriage too - but I don't see enough text ev to be sure about that. There may be other influences. Or none. For instance I think it possible that the dragon eggs once fertilized influenced Dany's subconscious too. Or maybe the fever dream is actually a Targaryen vision that Dany has, like some of her ancestors are reported to have had too. Independent of Quaithe. The text is just too vague. Even if some of Dany's dreams may be influenced through a glass candle I don't think we can necessarily assume all of her dreams are. The jewel-eyes: To me the jewel-eyed ghosts in the fever-dream seem to be inspired by the legendary rulers of the Empire of the Dawn rather than by Valyrian kings. I suspect the reason for the gem-eyed ghosts inclusion in Dany's fever-dream is to tie the Targaryens in general and Dany in particular back to the legend of the Amethyst Empress and her predecessors, among them the Opal Emperor, the Tourmaline Emperor and the Jade Emperor. And through the Amethyst Empress back to the Blood Betrayal and the first Long Night.
  9. Amris

    Dragons and one lion

    You are making my point. Jon's false identity - Ned's lie, which dates back to Jon's birth - is the secret that's going to be exposed here through the stone beast line. That's what I wrote in the post you cite. So your distant past would be a fit if that really were a necessary criteria. (Although it isn't IMO. I don't buy in your distant past theory: triplet I sentence 3: Yes Rhaegar's death was some years back, triplet 2 sentence 3: Jon's birth and Ned's lie date back as long. But Triplet 3 sentence 3: nope. Your blue flower theory is a stretch. At best. Winterfell isn't a wall of ice. Neither is Catelyn's antipathy towards Jon. We have a literal wall of ice in the story and Jon is at that place and Bran in a vision sees him lying deathly still in an ice cell there. You have to jump a lot of hoops to ignore what's right before your eyes and instead go for a 'he is growing up among hostility - that's a chink in wall of ice' interpretation. Aside from that: Jon grew up in Winterfell until the very beginning of the story and Catelyn's antipathy was no less right into book 1. So if her antipathy was the 'wall of ice' it would be recent, not distant past. There goes your distant past theory. What's more I have never seen GRRM go for melodramatics and describing a stepmother's antipathy towards her stepson as a 'wall of ice' when otherwise Jon obviously grows up as an accepted member of the family, loved by his brothers EDIT: and sisters* (let's not forget the sisters :P) and his 'father' Ned seems an over the top dramatic - in other words: melodramatic overstatement. I read your Shiera Seastar claim once and found it interesting and somewhat possible even though unlikely. But please don't repeat it all the time unless you find real evidence. It gets repetitive.
  10. Amris

    Why did George give daenerys everything

    To return to the original topic of the thread: 'Why did GRRM give Daenerys everything?' We have argued quite exhaustively about the 'give everything part' of the question. I want to put that aside for a moment and look at the 'why' part. Suppose Daenerys aquired quite a lot (even if its not 'everything') and leave aside the question whether she earned that (as some of us argue) or GRRM just 'gave' it to her like the OP implies. We can all agree on that Dany got very powerful over the books. What I would like to inspect now is what reason does GRRM have to make Dany such a powerful force? I can see several possibilities. The one I want to throw out here just now is that it may be that GRRM is setting her up as an antagonist of sorts. She is supposed to be the one invading Westeros after all. My take is that GRRM may be subverting the Dark Lord fantasy trope in her person. In a certain way she reminds me of Sauron. If you pull the veil of excuses and justifications and abusing brother and whatnot aside and look behind the innocent young beautiful girl image - what remains? A dragon queen who tries to amass a huge horde of barbarians (complete with a deserved reputation of cruelty and murder and mass-rape) and three fire-breathing monsters to invade another continent. I am not trying to bash Dany. I just want to turn this discussion around a bit and point out that there may be this side of the coin to consider too: That behind the beautiful image we are getting presented in Dany we may have the 'evil dark overlord' trope to deal with. And that leads me to the conclusion: part of why Dany 'gets so much' from GRRM (whether earned or not) is that GRRM wants to point out this subverted dark overlord trope. What happens when you take the 'evil dark Sauron' and make him into a beautiful young girl with very human weaknesses and human strengths. With understandable motivations and very understandable grievances. With a prior life of being abused and sold. With a desire to do good (which sometimes backfires). Sauron suddenly isn't so bad anymore. At least not all bad. Tolkien made that part of his story a little to easy and onesided. That's what we are supposed to learn I think. Think of her as a kind of Sauron and suddenly you are not surprised why the story needs her powerful. Now: please don't think I want to reduce Dany to Sauron. I am not even sure she really will play an 'evil' role in the end. Maybe her invasion will turn out to actually help save Westeros. Or at least maybe it won't be all bad. And maybe she even sacrifices herself. Who knows. All I want is to point out that a part of the Dany background is the evil overlord trope and that that's the reason for her power. I don't think GRRM is 'giving' Dany because he loves her so much. I think he is because she needs to fulfill her 'overlord' function properly. And subvert it.
  11. Amris

    Why did George give daenerys everything

    That is a perfectly valid opinion. And if you see Jon and fire and dragons as nonsense that's your prerogative and taste and I am not going to try to convert you. One thing though: Why do you then read ASOIAF? There are literary genres out there which skip the 'Jon and fire and dragons' nonsense. No one forces you to read High Fantasy if that's not your piece of cake.
  12. Amris

    Dragons and one lion

    I agree with you about sentences 1 (blue-eyed king) and 2 ( cloth dragon) of the Slayer of Lies triplet of the HotU referring to Stannis and Aegon. I also agree with you that sentence 3 (the mysterious stone beast) has something to do with Jon. However my path to get to this conclusion is a bit different: The Stone Beast: The stone beast part arguably is the hardest to decipher of the Slayer of Lies triplet. However there does exist a chapter in the books that fulfils the smoking tower/great stone beast/took wing/shadow fire sentence of the HotU prophecy literally. Word for word. This chapter is the last Bran chapter of CoK (The Burning of Winterfell). In this chapter gargoyles - which are literal stone beasts - take wing (fall down) from the burning First Keep (with it's broken tower) while fire is in the air at night (shadows). I can't of course claim that this event is the only possible explanation of this sentence of the HotU prophecy. In the end only GRRM knows. What I can do is point out that the Burning of Winterfell is an event in the books that both literally, word for word, fulfills this sentence of the HotU prophey and is of sufficient importance to the story as a whole that it would also thematically make sense if it had found it's place into Dany's HotU vision. The Details: (1) The literal fulfillment of the prophecy To summarize and recall: The Burning of Winterfell happens in the very last chapter of CoK (underscoring its importance). Bran, Rickon, Jojen, Meera, Osha and Hodor are hiding down in the crypts while Summer roves outside the castle and Bran watches through Summer's eyes as Winterfell burns. Later Bran & Co emerge from the crypts and explore the burnt First Keep. From a smoking tower Bran & Co emerge from the crypts and find: "The First Keep had not been used in many hundreds of years, but now it was more of a shell then ever. The floors had burned inside it ... Yet behind the broken tower still stood, no more burned than before. Jojen Reed was coughing from the smoke." A great stone beast took wing "They stood in the shadow of the First Keep, or what remained of it. One whole side of the building had torn loose and fallen away. Stone and shattered gargoyles lay strewn across the yard." Breathing shadow fire During the night Summer sees the burning take place from outside the castle. "The smoke and ash clouded his eyes, and in the sky he saw a great winged snake whose roar was a river of flame." The breathing of fire is clearly spelled out. The shadow part is the nighttime (the roaring flame must be casting enormous shadows). Curiously this chapter contains another mention of flame and shadow later on. And what a scene it is: Bran & Co are still in the crypts and it is dark. Bran has just returned from his warging and witnessed the burning on Winterfell through Summer. Osha lights a fire so they can see: "A long pale flame awoke, stretching upwards like a girl on her toes. ... Bran had to squint as the pitch egan to burn, filling the world with orange glare. ... When the shadows moved, it looked for an instant as if the dead were rising as well." (2) The metaphorical meaning of the scene After the literal meaning (of the falling garygoyle) GRRM hammers home the metaphorical meaning (Bran falling): "Stone and shattered gargoyles lay strewn across the yard. They fell just where I did, Bran thought as he saw them." And GRRM is not done but uses the word gargoyle again in the next sentence, underscoring its importance. "Some of the gargoyles had broken into so many pieces it made him wonder how he was alive at all." GRRM finds this scene important enough to explicitly remind us of it, books later. Here is Theon in The Turncloak chapter in ADWD: "The entrance to the crypts was in the oldest section of the castle, near the foot of the First Keep, which had sat unused for hundreds of years. Ramsay had put it to the torch when he sacked Winterfell, and much of what had not burned had collapsed. Only a shell remained, one side open to the elements and filling up with snow. Rubble was strewn all about it: great chunks of shattered masonry, burned beams, broken gargoyles. Important enough to explicitly reference one specific gargoyle yet again. The next sentence: "The falling snow had covered almost all of it, but part of one gargoyle still poked above the drift, its grotesque face snarling sightless at the sky." This gargolye is different from the others insofar as it is still partly intact and poking its face out of the snow, snarling at the sky. And in case that wasn't enough GRRM adds the next sentence: "This is where they found Bran when he fell." In other words GRRM all but explicitly identifies Bran with this one gargoyle. (3) What I suspect is the the meaning of this scene in connection with the HotU: The above things are clearly spelled out in the books. If all these pieces of text that fit the prophecy so well and GRRM's twice explicitly making the link to Bran are just coincidence than that's quite a big coincidence. That does not 100% prove that this scene is the stone beast part of the HotU vision of course (only a confirmation by GRRM could do that) but short of that it is pretty conclusive in my opinion. That said the meaning of the scene in connection with the HotU (beyond Bran's fall) is speculation. We just don't have enough text ev. I do firmly believe the scene has a meaning beyond Bran's fall though. And though we don't have proof that that's the case we do have some clues. Here is my reasoning: - The stone beast sentence is part of the Slayer of Lies triplet. We have reason to suspect sentence 1 (Stannis) and 2 (likely Aegon) will probably lead to those two characters being exposed as frauds (in some sense) sooner or later. That together with the title of the triplet 'Slayer of Lies' leads to the conclusion that the third sentence (stone beast) also leads to some untruth being exposed. Also we can reasonably suspect it will be an untruth of major importance for the story. Otherwise why include it? Summer sees a winged snake breathing fire above Winterfell in this very scene. In other words: a dragon. That would point to a Targaryen connection. The gargoyle (and Bran) fall right next to the entrance to the crypts of Winterfell, as GRRM feels necessary to repeatedly point out in the text ev above. This leads me to assume the crypts are important in the revelation of the untruth. In the Theon 'The Turncloak' scene referenced above Theon notices that the First Keep fills with snow and that the gargoyle is staring out of the snow. This one is tentative and maybe coincidence. Or maybe not. We tend to perk up when we hear snow in ASOIAF We have a better one in the Burning of Winterfell scene through Bran's POV also referenced above: When Osha lights that torch and Bran sees the shadows of the Stark statues move as if the dead where coming to life which statue's shadow does GRRM feel he should mention first? I suppose you can guess it: Lyanna's. Here is Bran, watching as Osha lights the torch: "Bran had to squint as the pitch began to burn, filling the world with orange glare. ... When the shadows moved, it looked for an instant as if the dead were rising as well. Lyanna and ..." This seems to point to Lyanna or her tomb being important in the revelation of the major untruth this sentence of the Slayer of Lies triplet means to uncover. At the very least Lyanna is. These hints taken together let me suspect the major untruth this part of the triplet means is the lie about Jon's birth. It seems like Bran is referenced in the stone beast riddle because he will be an instrumental part in the unovering of Jon Snow's real identity as a Targaryen. And the Crypts of Winterfell and particularly Lyanna's tomb that both figure so prominently in the Burning of Winterfell/Stone Beast sence may well play a part in uncovering Ned's lie about Jon also.
  13. Amris

    Why did George give daenerys everything

    Same here.