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    What was the biggest mistake/butterfly effect in ASOIAF history?

    If we are looking for only mistakes made in the Asoiaf series I would think Ned agreeing to become hand would be a big one, or taking his family to KL with him, or Robb sending The on to Pike. If we are including historical facts... the first men not keeping a clear WRITTEN account of how they ended he long night. Silly FM never learning to read and written the common tongue!
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    Were you expecting something different?

    I expected (hoped) for 7 (or 8 really) independent kingdoms with a council on important issues affecting more than 1 region. I expected Jon to go with the wildlings willingly and not be banished. I expected Sam to marry Gilly and to see baby Jon. For Tyrion to go be lord of the Westerlands, to find out the name of the Prince of Dorne, who gets the Reach (not Bronn) and for R+L=J to mean something!! Bran being King and the small council are my biggest complaints. Everything else should be dealt with better by GRRM but I see where it's going, anything end game KL confuses and angers me
  3. I had thought about that, but I feel like if anyone wanted to make the North part of the 7 kingdoms again they could still try. A smart monarch would use trading as a way to exert power over the North instead of try war, but the North may be able to grow everything they need if the seasons are back to normal. I wouldn't trust the other kingdoms in the future regardless of how they may try to reclaim their lost kingdom, and I don't think GRRM would leave that as a possibility and would have a discussion of some sort between Sansa and someone (anyone) where they think of those types of possibilities. Pretty much this. I'm 90% sure it's stated in the books that if that if the heir is female her husband takes her last name (so usually a 2ntd or 3rd son who won't inherit from his own family). But since I don't have a quote I can't be too sure. Regardless Sansa is Queen and her husband will be king, but only in name, not in practice. And their children will be Starks. Poor Sansa must be so sick of marriage, she has no choice now though, no point in a new kingdom without any heirs!
  4. They have allies now. What happens in a generation or two? Since they are out of the 7 kingdoms they will loose the family ties, unless they plan to make marriage alliances
  5. I agree to an extent, but the same ending to me meant we find out who rules Westeros, WW are defeated (although I really hope it's a different version on how) and Dany burns KL (maybe not intentially like the show, but I imagine she will) Jon going beyond the wall, they seem to be the big endings that would make sense to copy from what GRRM told them. I hope you are right, but unless D&D or GRRM say this isn't much like GRRM's intended ending I honestly don't know if I care about the book ending anymore.
  6. So what does that mean for the books? If the show ending is similar to the books we still get Bran as king don't we? And Sansa ruling an independent North? So are you sure it's because D&D love the Starks? Seems more like GRRM loving the Starks imo. (which is fine, but I thought he loved all his other characters too)
  7. Not only do I agree they should have, it would have ended up much more like my original prediction and hope. I'd hoped all the lords and lady's would form a great council over important issues, but ultimately been independent, which would mean strong alliances but the opportunity to rule themselves without too many worries
  8. Because I wouldn't want to be reminded of what she became. I'd be reading my fav POV wondering how does this happen?! I actually could see book Dany becoming this deluded so it felt fine (rushed but what can you do?) So it wasn't a huge stretch for me, but if she had been my fav character I wouldn't have wanted to believe Dany was capable of any of this evil she did in show, any re readings would either cement good queen Dany in my head and make me angrier with the show, or point out all the clues this will happen and make me angrier with GRRM. Either way I'd end up angry
  9. I don't want show ending in the books. (Well a lot of it is fine actually, but Bran as king will never be ok imo) so I'm not sure if I will bother reading the last 2 books or not. If I was a Dany fan I wouldn't even re read the books we already have! Lol. I sympathise with Dany fans, but look on the bright side, D&D did her well for 7 seasons, more than Stannis fans can say! But luckily for me I'm not a Dany fan, so I'm not ruined in that aspect. Given enough time between now and the release of Wow I might be fully on board with GRRM ending, or I may not even care anymore, I will see how much bearing a bad tv ending has on my love of the books
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    [Poll] How would you rate episode 806?

    I've given it a 5 after sleeping on it. The hard work that goes into making Got one of the best TV shows ever was still obvious, great music, great acting, amazing scenery and costumes, but the quality of writing has been hit and miss since season 5 and unfortunately there has been more misses than hits lately. After some time to think about how the series ended I realised I wasn't angry with every chararter/thread ending. But even the endings I liked didn't make sense to me. I would have rated it lower on my initial response yesterday, so I'm glad I waited to let my first impression settle down first
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    [Spoilers] Episode 806 Discussion

    In all honesty I will more than likely still read the books. There will be enough time for me to get over this by the time they come (if they come out) I doubt it will hurt his book sales too much. If Twow is announced tomorrow I wouldn't be in a rush to buy it though
  12. Sansa may have allies right now. Her brother is king, her uncle and a cousin are both great lords. But what happens a few generations later? What happens when the North don't get a say in the new King and the lords choose unwisely? I'm sorry but I see a very bloody future for the North. She has lost her family. Arya's not coming back, and neither is Jon, Bran is 3ER and king, as if he has time to catch up with her or her with him. Theres a difference between growing up and going seperate ways, and never seeing each other again. The pack is broken up and not getting back together. I still don't understand what there is to be happy about other than some of my faves got to live
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    [Spoilers] Episode 806 Discussion

    Im glad you see so many positives. Atm all I see is negatives! It was shot beautifully, everyone looked amazing and they all acted well. That's as much as I can say about this episode. It's not the story I've been imagining while waiting for new books that's for sure, and maybe time will make me ok with that but for now I am not. I'm incredibly angry with the ending itself, it makes little to no sense to me
  14. I lov Sansa but i dont like this ending for her. Queen in the North is great, but she's now lost all her family, she is Queen in he North with no named character she cares about and why on Earth should the North be it's own kingdom if the other kingdoms aren't? I can only see that being a huge mistake in he future. The North no longer has allies or a say in who is the king of westeros, so I see big problems in he future. I just don't get what there is to be happy about with his ending except that Sansa is alive