Ser Creighton Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Thank you Blue Eyes. That's my guess too. Of course, that logic also doesn't bode well for Davos's hopes of rescuing Rickon, so Lord Manderly can rally the North behind him...If that is in fact his plan. It's Littlefinger that last time he told a Stark his plan it didn't work out well for the Starks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broke Howard Hughes Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Jon Snow isn't dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Otter Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 If that is in fact his plan. It's Littlefinger that last time he told a Stark his plan it didn't work out well for the Starks. But back to Blue Eyes' original statement -- plans get messed up and it leads to interesting diversions, abductions, or horrible weddings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourneblade Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 The longer the plan is described the more jacked up it will be. Prologues and epilogues are almost always fatal lolOver confidence is always bad.Do not ever break your oath lolBe careful what you wish for, because GRRM will give it to you in monkey paw fashion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Abstract Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 But he didn't die until Ser Barristan's POV, so the rule guideline remains, and only POV deaths are more assured. The exception being Dondarrion and later UnCat.Not a rule. Thus far only 3 out of 43 perspective characters have died. One in her own view. One sustained fatal wounds is view which is not markedly different. One in someone else's view. There is simply not evidence to say this is a pattern and it most likely is not. And if it is a rule, the sustaining fatal wounds example still means no one is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiasyd Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I agree with your pattern/guidelines. Now lets discuss Syrio in light of rule #6! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMR Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 It would be quite funny if Jon Snow is dead, Jaime is dead, we never find out who Jon's parents are, Azor Ahai reborn is just a myth, Others destroy Westeros. Arya chokes on her dinner and dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Otter Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 I agree with your pattern/guidelines. Now lets discuss Syrio in light of rule #6! I could totally see Syrio being a FM sent to scope out Arya from the get go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushroomshirt Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 a) Full House beat out George's Beauty and The Beast so he hates twins My favorite rule (er... guideline) and reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Otter Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 My favorite rule (er... guideline) and reason. http://www.screenjunkies.com/tv/tv-news/george-r-r-martin-rails-on-the-olsen-twins-mid-lecture/ The video is down towards the bottom, skip to 20:00 for the Olsen rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushroomshirt Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 http://www.screenjunkies.com/tv/tv-news/george-r-r-martin-rails-on-the-olsen-twins-mid-lecture/ The video is down towards the bottom, skip to 20:00 for the Olsen rant. Wow I had never seen that. Creepy. Now I can understand the Mary Kate hate, but Ashley? come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronn Urgandy Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 People seeking vengeance rarely get it, and if they do, the price is normally ridiculously high. Arya, put your list away girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Prologue and Epilogue characters always die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebara Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 People seeking vengeance rarely get it, and if they do, the price is normally ridiculously high. Arya, put your list away girl. u are right! Even when reading the books for the 1st time I noticed a strong ressemblance of the Stark family with the Holy Seven...and their failure to achieve what their counterparts of the 7 stand for: Ned: the Father...failed to protect and hold the family together Catelyn: the Mother: failed to protect her children Sansa: the Maiden: bound to lose her maidenhood eventually Bran: the Crone: the Greenseer, the wise....will perhaps fail to see or interpret important dreams, visions, hindsights Rickon: should be the Builder then...still to see now Arya: the Stranger...will fail to give death, will perhaps give up her way of death and revenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Pedant Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 u are right! Even when reading the books for the 1st time I noticed a strong ressemblance of the Stark family with the Holy Seven...and their failure to achieve what their counterparts of the 7 stand for: Ned: the Father...failed to protect and hold the family together Catelyn: the Mother: failed to protect her children Sansa: the Maiden: bound to lose her maidenhood eventually Bran: the Crone: the Greenseer, the wise....will perhaps fail to see or interpret important dreams, visions, hindsights Rickon: should be the Builder then...still to see now Arya: the Stranger...will fail to give death, will perhaps give up her way of death and revenge Is Robb supposed to be the Warrior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Otter Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 u are right! Even when reading the books for the 1st time I noticed a strong ressemblance of the Stark family with the Holy Seven...and their failure to achieve what their counterparts of the 7 stand for: Ned: the Father...failed to protect and hold the family together Catelyn: the Mother: failed to protect her children Sansa: the Maiden: bound to lose her maidenhood eventually Bran: the Crone: the Greenseer, the wise....will perhaps fail to see or interpret important dreams, visions, hindsights Rickon: should be the Builder then...still to see now Arya: the Stranger...will fail to give death, will perhaps give up her way of death and revenge Interesting analysis, where would you place Jon? And Robb as Pendant mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 1. Unless your name is Maester Aemon or Hoster Tully, no-one dies a natural death.2. People who like reading are good.3. If you're a noble, there's a better than 2/3 chance that any child will be male.4. They're not dead unless we see it onscreen.5. Prologues kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebara Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Interesting analysis, where would you place Jon? And Robb as Pendant mentioned. oh sorry forgot Robb: Robb is the Warrior of course...who lost his war and Jon...dunno where to put Jon...either Jon is meant to be the Builder in the place of Rickon and fails to build something ...or he does not fit in because he is not really part of Neds and Catelyns family (you know R+L)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_was_the_true_steel Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Don't agree that George is that unpredictable or that predictability is that bad. I think it's more that he likes to go against conventions rather than that he's unpredictable. But I agree predictability isn't bad if it means events have clear causes in the story. The Red Wedding very clearly built up and easy to see coming if you're not blinded by just really wanting things to work out for the characters you like, like I was. Doesn't mean it's not good writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourneblade Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Lol all wishes, good or bad, are answered by the monkey's paw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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