unSonofStannis Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 So we all know that the Reach is anything but solidly united, like the Tullys and Starks, the Tyrells have some powerful and potentially dangerous bannermen like the Tarlys, the Hightowers, and the Redwynes and Im not even mentioning the Florents because theyre already enemies, so is it possible that one of the Tyrells bannermen makes a deal with the Ironborn and in so doing betrays and hurts the Tyrells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I simply don't see either Euron or any of the Reachmen going for it. Euron might not set as much on the whole "Iron price" thing as Balon was, but still he's a pretty sinister guy. And would any house from the reach even tolerate Ironborn on their soil? Most of them probably think they can beat them by numbers alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Not very likely. What have any of the Tyrell bannermen done to suggest disloyalty? Hightower is getting ready to fight the Ironborn and is related to Mace through marriage, Tarly has already proven his loyalty in battle multiple times, and Redwyne is also related to Mace through marriage. If the Reach bannerman betray the Tyrells it will be for Aegon, not the Ironborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 While a great deal of Reachmen could well backstab the Tyrells I doubt they'll do it to the Ironmen. The Ironmen seems to carry pretty much a universal amnosity from the South and thus the Reachmen are more likely to betray the Tyrells to Stannis with Mel than attempt some kind of deal with the Ironmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unSonofStannis Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share Posted March 30, 2014 Not very likely. What have any of the Tyrell bannermen done to suggest disloyalty? Hightower is getting ready to fight the Ironborn and is related to Mace through marriage, Tarly has already proven his loyalty in battle multiple times, and Redwyne is also related to Mace through marriage. If the Reach bannerman betray the Tyrells it will be for Aegon, not the Ironborn. Powerful bannermen have proven troublesome for the great houses in the series like the Tarbeck and Reynes for the Lannisters and the Freys and Boltons for the Starks and Tullys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 The Reach seems to be a very unified region compared to the others though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unSonofStannis Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share Posted March 30, 2014 Not very likely. What have any of the Tyrell bannermen done to suggest disloyalty? Hightower is getting ready to fight the Ironborn and is related to Mace through marriage, Tarly has already proven his loyalty in battle multiple times, and Redwyne is also related to Mace through marriage. If the Reach bannerman betray the Tyrells it will be for Aegon, not the Ironborn. Plus Mace took credit for Roberts defeat at Ashford, you dont think that Tarly harbors a little resentment against him for that? Plus we cant put a fair assumption on whats going on with the Hightowers loyalties because they didnt even send men with the Tyrells when they marched for Renly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Powerful bannermen have proven troublesome for the great houses in the series like the Tarbeck and Reynes for the Lannisters and the Freys and Boltons for the Starks and Tullys. Yes but none of the actions of the most powerful Tyrell bannerman have suggested they unsatisfied with the Tyrells and the Ironborn would be the last place they would look for help. If anything they have proven to be quiet loyal, when Renly dies the more powerful lords don't just go over to Stannis, they wait to see what the Tyrells plan to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unSonofStannis Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share Posted March 30, 2014 The Reach seems to be a very unified region compared to the others though. No theyre not, do a re-read, the Florents are outright enemies of the Tyrells because they declared for Stannis, Tarly likely harbors resentment against Mace for taking credit for Roberts defeat at Ashford when it was Tarly who was the commander there and the Hightowers didnt even send men with the Tyrells when they declared for Renly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unSonofStannis Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share Posted March 30, 2014 Yes but none of the actions of the most powerful Tyrell bannerman have suggested they unsatisfied with the Tyrells and the Ironborn would be the last place they would look for help. If anything they have proven to be quiet loyal, when Renly dies the more powerful lords don't just go over to Stannis, they wait to see what the Tyrells plan to do. Hightower didnt send any men with the Tyrells when they declared for Renly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unSonofStannis Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share Posted March 30, 2014 Yes but none of the actions of the most powerful Tyrell bannerman have suggested they unsatisfied with the Tyrells and the Ironborn would be the last place they would look for help. If anything they have proven to be quiet loyal, when Renly dies the more powerful lords don't just go over to Stannis, they wait to see what the Tyrells plan to do. The Redwynes neither because his two sons were hostages in Kings Landing, and dont forget the Florents they declared for Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Plus Mace took credit for Roberts defeat at Ashford, you dont think that Tarly harbors a little resentment against him for that? Plus we cant put a fair assumption on whats going on with the Hightowers loyalties because they didnt even send men with the Tyrells when they marched for Renly. If Tarly does he has yet to show it. Most people seem to realize it was Tarly anyways. The Hightowers are arming themselves to fight the Ironborn, if they are unloyal to the Tyrells they won't betray them to the Ironborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 No theyre not, do a re-read, the Florents are outright enemies of the Tyrells because they declared for Stannis, Tarly likely harbors resentment against Mace for taking credit for Roberts defeat at Ashford when it was Tarly who was the commander there and the Hightowers didnt even send men with the Tyrells when they declared for Renly. The Florents were married to Stannis. We have no idea what Tarly is thinking about Ashford and the Hightowers are the likely targets of the Ironborn rampage. The bannermen may betray Tyrell but I would be surprised if they crossed over to their worst enemies -- it would be like the Manderlys betraying Stannis so they could join forces with the Freys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 The Redwynes neither because his two sons were hostages in Kings Landing, and dont forget the Florents they declared for Stannis. After Renly died, and the Florents are rather weak in comparison to Tarly, Redwyne, Rowan, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unSonofStannis Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share Posted March 30, 2014 If Tarly does he has yet to show it. Most people seem to realize it was Tarly anyways. The Hightowers are arming themselves to fight the Ironborn, if they are unloyal to the Tyrells they won't betray them to the Ironborn. Your so sure, this is Martin were talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Garlan Tyrell got Brightwater's Keep, he was even on his way to root the Florents out when news about the Ironborn attack arrived. The remaining Florents are with Stannis, hence no real threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Reaver Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Yeah, I have to go with the consensus here. I don't really see any of the Reach houses making peace with Euron. Maybe they could if he'd "just" pillaged and left, but he's currently occupying the Shield Islands. Oh, and Euron is at least as, if not more, devoted to the Old Way than Balon was. He is, after all, said to be the only person still living by it every day of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Yeah, I have to go with the consensus here. I don't really see any of the Reach houses making peace with Euron. Maybe they could if he'd "just" pillaged and left, but he's currently occupying the Shield Islands. Oh, and Euron is at least as, if not more, devoted to the Old Way than Balon was. He is, after all, said to be the only person still living by it every day of his life. You have also to consider that many Reachmen lost their shit when it was their land that got attacked, so they seem to be very protective of it. Probably because their land and it's resources are their main asset. Was that Euron not simply living by his own rules and doing what he wants? I might have misinterpreted that, but I meant in the sense that Balon talked about the Old Ways a lot more and Euron just did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I think Tarly, Rowan and Hightower will go over to Aegon and the Tyrells will have to cut a deal with Asha in order to survive, maybe even involving a marriage between her and WillasAlso, in aSoS Redwyne seems to be pushing for an alliance with the Ironborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Reaver Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 If Tarly, Rowan and Hightower join Aegon, what exactly would the Tyrells have to offer the Ironborn as a deal ? And then you suggest a marriage which is greatly beneficial to the Tyrells, which would seem to indicate they'd have the stronger hand here. Just doesn't make much sense, I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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