John Doe Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I think it is an interesting topic, as I think that "she blows a horn" would be too easy and no true control, because in this case the horn would control the dragons, not she herself. Are we given any hints how the other Targaryens did it? Will she control all three dragons or just Drogon? Does it simply take more time to get used to her riding him/them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Dany can control only a single dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raving Stark the Mad Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I think it was implied in an interview by GRRM I saw on youtube on TWOIAF that there are several methods. The horn seems to be as good a method as any, though she apparently has good "dragon wrangler/breaker" abilities as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmnomnomPomelo Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I can imagine that Victarion will blow the horn and he won't die, thus they will able to tame the dragons easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 Dany can control only a single dragon. She doesn't need to ride all free, but they might still have some respect for her orders at least at least until finding there own riders. They let themselves be chained on a wall, after all, despite her being not their rider. Well, respect might be the wrong word, but I hope you get what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 I can imagine that Victarion will blow the horn and he won't die, thus they will able to tame the dragons easier. Yeah, I think the horn might trigger a bond between the dragon and the tamer/master. But I doubt anyone who is not of valyrian origin can blow the horn, as appearently it burns everyone vulnerable to heat. Maybe a valyrian spell to prevent missuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.P. Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Guys, didn't you remember what Moqorro told Victarion? It's not the person who blows the horn who controls the dragons, it's the person who owns the horn. Victarion can force a slave to blow the horn while Victarion owns it, and Bob's your uncle. Besides, as Dany seemes to prove, the dragons seem to respond to good ol' fashion animal training techniques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civility Reigns Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Guys, didn't you remember what Moqorro told Victarion? It's not the person who blows the horn who controls the dragons, it's the person who owns the horn. Victarion can force a slave to blow the horn while Victarion owns it, and Bob's your uncle. Besides, as Dany seemes to prove, the dragons seem to respond to good ol' fashion animal training techniques. Sounds like Euron's horn to me. Victarion just has it on loan. I'm not sure how thorough the horn is when deciding ownership, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 She won't. She will control one dragon - the one she is riding. The loyalty of other two will depend on their riders. If Dany can control them, she will also control the dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.P. Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Sounds like Euron's horn to me. Victarion just has it on loan. I'm not sure how thorough the horn is when deciding ownership, though. Oh, crap. Looks like we need a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civility Reigns Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Oh, crap. Looks like we need a lawyer. Do horns have lawyers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmnomnomPomelo Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I think that Dany could tell Victarion something like "You want me, but you are affraid to blow a horn?" and then Victarion blows it. And maybe due to the Azor Ahai thingy "salt and smoke"=ironborn who was healed with fire, so Victarion stays alive after blowing the horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 Tooo bad all valyrian lawyers are probably dead. But seriously, the horn must be claimed with blood, which pretty much implies Victarion has to kill Euron if the spell works like are made to believe. Maybe it can't change the ownership if the dragon is already claimed or the game changes once you have one with valyrian blood in it, while the others haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 I think that Dany could tell Victarion something like "You want me, but you are affraid to blow a horn?" and then Victarion blows it. And maybe due to the Azor Ahai thingy "salt and smoke"=ironborn who was healed with fire, so Victarion stays alive after blowing the horn. I said it and I say it again: Victarion is Azhor Ahai. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 She won't. She will control one dragon - the one she is riding. The loyalty of other two will depend on their riders. If Dany can control them, she will also control the dragons. So far she did a good job controling the other two. Of course the bond to their riders will be stronger, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.P. Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I think that Dany could tell Victarion something like "You want me, but you are affraid to blow a horn?" and then Victarion blows it. And maybe due to the Azor Ahai thingy "salt and smoke"=ironborn who was healed with fire, so Victarion stays alive after blowing the horn. Very interesting. I was putting my money on Jon being Azhor Ahai, but Victarion seems a good bet, now that you mention it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 So far she did a good job controling the other two. Of course the bond to their riders will be stronger, though. She controlled them because these are free dragons. The moment they are bonded with other people, the entire dynamics will change. TPATQ was very clear on the subject - dragon's loyalty first and foremost depends of the loyalty of its rider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmnomnomPomelo Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Very interesting. I was putting my money on Jon being Azhor Ahai, but Victarion seems a good bet, now that you mention it. Also may there can be more Azor Ahais,coz as we saw in TWOIAF there are several names to him like Azor Ahai, Hyrkoon, Eldric Shadowchaser etc. so maybe not one single person is/will be the new Azor Ahai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.P. Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Also may there can be more Azor Ahais,coz as we saw in TWOIAF there are several names to him like Azor Ahai, Hyrkoon, Eldric Shadowchaser etc. so maybe not one single person is/will be the new Azor Ahai. Plus, the dragon has three heads, which - I'm going out on a limb here - may mean there are three Azhor Ahais? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I think who ultimately controls a dragon is the dragon's choice. Maybe it's through blood (being a Targaryen or of Valyrian descent), but most likely through some sort of undeterminable "intimate connection" that a dragon feels towards a person. (I could reference wands in Harry Potter.) I theorize all of this without ignoring the importance of the horn. However, I feel that the horn produces an unintimate connection with a dragon, forcing it into dominance, neither allowing the connection to occur simbiotically nor with permission from a dragon. Like a potion to make someone fall in love, ultimately, the love is not real. In the end, Victarion will, I think, regret trying to dominate a dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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