Lion_Eyes Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I reckon the view at the start must be where Dany is flying with Drogon although it looks awfully "green" and cold but the North will have snow around it. I think Jaime's "We can't choose who we love" will be towards Myrcella - maybe as they are travelling back she will feel guilty for falling in love with Trystane. There is no way he is getting back to KL before the walk or he would be killing a whole lot of people since they haven't broken up yet/he has no reason to be mad at Cersei. Cersei crying will be when she pretends to feel bad for her sins to the High Sparrow (and it must be before the Walk because she still had long hair) Sansa will be talking to Brienne & Pod and yep Brienne is gonna kill Stannis (probably not til next Season though) Not sure what Dany's gang are gonna do - surely the surviviing Harpies will come for them?! There looks like there is gonna be loads to get through with everyone in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheonsPhantomCock Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Oh and more thing, Mel is looking at the icicles melting. So that must precede "the Lord of Light kept his promise". Is that a good thing for Stannis' army? Probably. Makes it easier to fight the Boltons (as Baratheons are from warmer climes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Túrin the Turambar Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 I don't think anything more will happen in Mereen this season. With no Quentyn, Barristan or Yunkai armies it doesn't serve much point to release the Dragons. No Victarion either to steal a Dragon. I'm sure that there will be a few minutes in Meereen, things need to be settled - and even if the remaining drangons are not released, nevertheless I'm sure that at least we get a glimpse on them, to remind the audience that they are still here (IIRC we only had one scene with them in the entire season). Looks to me that it is a replacement for the pink letter. Having raised the stakes so high in Hardhome, Jon can't march on Winterfell on a whim. He has to have a higher purpose than saving his sister or having been insulted. Stannis offers a transaction that makes sense to Jon given where he is now. He desperately needs to defend the wall against the army of the dead no matter what. And accepting that offer could definitely trigger FTW. :agree: Now lets imagine on top Sansa escapes to Castle Black and tells her story after Jon has told Sam he will reject Stannis and Jon changes his mind. That sets up exactly the right dynamic and now it makes sense in the way that a mere pink letter from the books could not with the raised stakes. I cannot agree to this one. We know that in showWesteros people can send e-mails, but they are not able to teleport. Sansa fleeing from WF and arriving in Castle Black within the same episode is not possible. Regarding point 6, I think that Arya will kill Trant instead of Thinman and will be excused for that as faceless god does not matter who will die, rather how many will die - death count must be correct. I'm not quite sure if an organisation specialised in assassination can afford this view. The actor that plays Davos said in an interview this morning that we will see his reaction to Stannis burning Shireen in this episode. I think Stannis sends the red priest and Selyse back to Castle Black before the siege and that is how Davos finds out. This would set things up for FTW, but I cannot see the reason why Stannis would send them away NOW... Giving food to people, be it an army at that does not break neutrality. That is my opinion. They are housing and feeding the Whildlings are they not? I think it is Jamie who is speaking to Cersie....sounds like his voice anyways, keeping a contender for the throne and his men alive and supporting them against the announced Warden of the North is not quite neutral in the matters of politics of the realm. the wildlings however are outside these matters, and settling them in the gift, which is NW-territory, is also no intervention. 2) Stannis is seen drawing a non-flaming sword. Why? Not AA then? showStannis' sword was burning only in his first scene in season 2 - but it was burning "outside" and not from within. IIRC in all later scenes he had a "normal" sword which didn't glow or radiate heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Túrin the Turambar Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 We never saw the content of the letter Stannis gave to Davos. This could be the pink letter equivalent, but with much less confusion. Could give Jon a similar difficult decision that would cause a similar end. :agree: That's Kevan Lannister convincing Cersei to do the Walk.I mean the scene itself but that's Jaime's voice from a Dorne scene no doubt. :agree: Sansa will be talking to Brienne & Pod and yep Brienne is gonna kill Sansa Why should she do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion_Eyes Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Oops I mean Stannis :blushing: Why should she do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dames do Moan Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 What castle is that in the first second of the preview, I can't tell? Looks almost like moat Cailin with the ridge before it that LF/Sansa and Brienne/Pod both saw it from. But why would we be that far south, everyone of note in the North is well past it. Unless maybe it coincides with the Greyjoys? But probably not that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy_rick Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Looks to me that it is a replacement for the pink letter. Having raised the stakes so high in Hardhome, Jon can't march on Winterfell on a whim. He has to have a higher purpose than saving his sister or having been insulted. Stannis offers a transaction that makes sense to Jon given where he is now. He desperately needs to defend the wall against the army of the dead no matter what. And accepting that offer could definitely trigger FTW. Now lets imagine on top Sansa escapes to Castle Black and tells her story after Jon has told Sam he will reject Stannis and Jon changes his mind. That sets up exactly the right dynamic and now it makes sense in the way that a mere pink letter from the books could not with the raised stakes. Only the thing is that we now know that Jon is marching to support a King who we now know to be worse than the Boltons. One effect of burning Shireen is that the Boltons are no longer needed as the only baddies left in the show. How does Stannis' offer make sense to Jon now? Jon needs to feed the wildlings, so it is even harder to support Stannis with food Stannis can make good on his promise only after he has taken the Iron Throne. This might take a while, and Jon would have to bet on Stannis beating the Boltons, the Lannisters, the Tyrells, and maybe the Vale. In case any other King wins or stays on the Iron Throne Jon has thrown the Nights Watch neutrality out of the window. And if Sansa escapes to Castle Black, she doesn't need to be saved anymore. Besides, Jon didn't try to save her from the Lannisters. Why would he save her from the Boltons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Túrin the Turambar Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 Oh, I forgot one thing: maybe there is a chance that we get a hint from Bran - a whisper from a weirwood tree or something like that :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy_rick Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 We know that in showWesteros people can send e-mails, but they are not able to teleport. Jon has just teleported from the ships at Hardhome to Castle Black, with or without an off-screen stop at Eastwatch by the sea. Sadly Jon didn't know how to use the teleporter correctly, and so he arrived at the wrong (north) side of the wall at Castle Black, allowing a dramatic moment with Ser Alliser Thorne. Therefore - anything is possible now :bang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHammeredDog Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 What castle is that in the first second of the preview, I can't tell? Looks almost like moat Cailin with the ridge before it that LF/Sansa and Brienne/Pod both saw it from. But why would we be that far south, everyone of note in the North is well past it. Unless maybe it coincides with the Greyjoys? But probably not that. If it's Moat Cailin, that'll be Littlefinger heading north again with the army of the Vale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ni2tre Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 http://imgur.com/s01Ob6Dhttp://imgur.com/Ecxfv5ihttp://imgur.com/06nOxAmhttp://imgur.com/0JahY1NHave we seen these scenes or am I misremembering them? They are from the season 5 trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Túrin the Turambar Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 http://imgur.com/s01Ob6Dhttp://imgur.com/Ecxfv5ihttp://imgur.com/06nOxAmhttp://imgur.com/0JahY1NHave we seen these scenes or am I misremembering them? They are from the season 5 trailer. Margaery and Tyrion: I think we saw them already.Meereen on fire: I can't remember these - might be a hint that the dragons will be released anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Túrin the Turambar Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 Jon has just teleported from the ships at Hardhome to Castle Black, with or without an off-screen stop at Eastwatch by the sea. Sadly Jon didn't know how to use the teleporter correctly, and so he arrived at the wrong (north) side of the wall at Castle Black, allowing a dramatic moment with Ser Alliser Thorne. Therefore - anything is possible now :bang: ok, that's true, I forgot.... but at least Jon travelled between episodes, while Sansa would have to travel a few hundred leagues within an episode. I can't imagin D&D doing this. (but: I would have said the same about raven messaging, before Cersei e-mailed Littlefinger... - so you're right: anything is possible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dames do Moan Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 If it's Moat Cailin, that'll be Littlefinger heading north again with the army of the ValeYeah that could be it as well, I'd like to know if anyone recognizes it from previous views? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronntosaurus Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 1st scene: maybe Dany's perspective when flying on Drogon, but IMO the landscape doesn't fit for the area around Meereen; looks more like the North, but it also doesn't fit since there is no snow... If you look closely at the top of the ridge/cliff in the upper left you can see what looks like a person standing there. I can only assume its Dany. Agreed that the landscape is unusual, though. Doesn't really look like Khalasar territory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronntosaurus Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 http://imgur.com/s01Ob6Dhttp://imgur.com/Ecxfv5ihttp://imgur.com/06nOxAmhttp://imgur.com/0JahY1NHave we seen these scenes or am I misremembering them? They are from the season 5 trailer. Mereen and Harpies burning is definitely new. I'd bet the episode will open with the immediate fallout from Daznak's (including these images of Drogon's wrath), hopefully showing the other 7900 Unsullied show up at the pit to secure Dany's abandoned advisors. Cut to Tyrion, Jorah, and Daario in the throne room for a chat, then to Dany on the mountaintop. Done with Mereen for the rest of the season-- too much needs to happen elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xarkar Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 3rd scene: it's a bit late, but Jon will send Sam to Oldtown this episode. Sam's question ("What you gonna do?") might also be related to Davos' request for support - I think Jon will grant Stannis food and other supplys and this will be seen as oathbreaking (neutrality of the NW) that will lead to the FTW (this means: I don't think there will be a Pink Letter). Looks like Jon is reading his letters. He wrote asking for men, and my guess is they all said no. Would it really be oathbreaking? He is sworn to be the shield that gaurds the realm of men. Wouldn't letting men starve go against that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffernator Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 What about the Rickon Plot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickbarry Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I'd like to discuss what will happen in the final episode, based on the preview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EWFpo37qAU 1st scene: maybe Dany's perspective when flying on Drogon, but IMO the landscape doesn't fit for the area around Meereen; looks more like the North, but it also doesn't fit since there is no snow... 2nd scene: Tyrion, Daario and Jorah do not quite know what to do in Meereen with Dany left. Tyrion seems to oppose Jorah in some matter ("You betrayed her") - I can't imagine what they will do, since there seems to be no battle in the near future - but I guess that the remaining two dragons will be released. I imagine Jorah will either try and pull the Barristan role from the books and attempt to rule in Mereen or go out and try to find her. (I lean toward the former, but the latter is possible as he has greyscale. Might as well take another suicide mission.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epikouros Martell Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I imagine Jorah will either try and pull the Barristan role from the books and attempt to rule in Mereen or go out and try to find her. (I lean toward the former, but the latter is possible as he has greyscale. Might as well take another suicide mission.) I think they placed Tyrion in Mereen so he could fill Barrys role. I'm not sure where they are going with Jorah. This greyscale infection gives him a time limit, so I guess they will kill him off quite soon. Maybe he will set the dragons free and die in the process. The picture with Jorah, Tyrion and Daario in the preview just made me laugh. Not one of them is actually in Mereen in the books at this moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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