Ice Walker Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 That's cause he was nowhere near them. GRRM himself said that Stannis had no power base to protect him in King's Landing. I'd like to see the context in which he mentioned it. Any link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Walker Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 who says he didnt tell renly (if he didnt already know ) its robert who he felt wouldnt believe him without jon He brought his suspicions only to Jon Arryn. He got angry and left KL, when Robert named Ned as the Hand. Apparently, Stannis expected the honour himself despite "imagining" that Robert would never listen to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis broatheon Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Stannis couldn't prove the incest, so that's a moot point. It's even more of a moot point since Stannis didn't say anything before Robert died OR Renly crowned himself (and jesus almost two months after that happened). We know he's behind in the line of succession and that Joff/Tommen/Myrcella are bastards. Very few people in Westeros know and/or are disposed to doing something or care about it. So in the eyes of literally everyone, Renly is jumping 4 spots, not 1. Stannis wants to jump 3. If you honestly think that anyone would give a shit about that distinction, I have some seafront property in Arizona to sell you. And when confronted about proof of it by Renly and Cat, Stannis grinds his teeth and says nothing. He has no proof. To all of Planetos, they are just jealous brothers vying for their dead brothers crown in contest with their nephews. I was correcting your mistake. Renly have the worst claim from all the different laws and PoVs in westeros. Read my comment again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis broatheon Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 You guys crack me up .. tell me whether now the westrosi read the books like we do .you did use this arguement about why stannis not telling ned ..but you cant see how stannis and renly will look for the people inuniverseStill Stannis' claim is better. Never said that for Westerosi people he had a better claim than Joffrey, Tommen or Myrcella. Please read my comment again. Stannis is the elder brother so his claim is better there is no point discussing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogonthedread Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Still Stannis' claim is better. Never said that for Westerosi people he had a better claim than Joffrey, Tommen or Myrcella. Please read my comment again. Stannis is the elder brother so his claim is better there is no point discussing it. An elder brother no where to be seen and like you said has no power .. instead of just sitting and doing nothing he started the war to throw lannisters out of rule .. Am not sure why stannis being elder even matters as far as renly he is already trying to throw three who has more claim than stannis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Still Stannis' claim is better. Never said that for Westerosi people he had a better claim than Joffrey, Tommen or Myrcella. Please read my comment again. Stannis is the elder brother so his claim is better there is no point discussing it. Which is meaningless if more Lords and people want Renly as King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis broatheon Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Which is meaningless if more Lords and people want Renly as King. Never said that it was relevant, I wasjust correcting some people that were totally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Never said that it was relevant, I wasjust correcting some people that were totally wrong. Not totally wrong. USD made a point that as far as Renly knew Stannis was no better than him, that they were both usurping their nephews crown. Stannis being the older brother in that situation is of little value as there are three of Roberts children ahead of them. It is pointless Stannis getting all righteous about the claims and duty as he said nothing of Joffreys claim and illegitimacy when Robert was alive. Stannis is merely trying to take advantage of Renlys popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis broatheon Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Not totally wrong. USD made a point that as far as Renly knew Stannis was no better than him, that they were both usurping their nephews crown. Stannis being the older brother in that situation is of little value as there are three of Roberts children ahead of them. It is pointless Stannis getting all righteous about the claims and duty as he said nothing of Joffreys claim and illegitimacy when Robert was alive. Stannis is merely trying to take advantage of Renlys popularity.Stannis claim was better. He was claiming that Cereci's sons were not Robert's so he was the next in line. Renly claimed that he was the strongest and the best and law was stupid because the best brother should rule, considering himself the best. So by law Stannis always had a better claim than Renly, and to the people that believed the twincest he had the best claim, by law again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogonthedread Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Stannis claim was better. He was claiming that Cereci's sons were not Robert's so he was the next in line. Renly claimed that he was the strongest and the best and law was stupid because the best brother should rule, considering himself the best. So by law Stannis always had a better claim than Renly, and to the people that believed the twincest he had the best claim, by law again. Stannis was no where to be seen when renly crowned maybe if he had opened his mouth before that or crowned himself then i would call renly usurped stannis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Stannis claim was better. He was claiming that Cereci's sons were not Robert's so he was the next in line. Renly claimed that he was the strongest and the best and law was stupid because the best brother should rule, considering himself the best. So by law Stannis always had a better claim than Renly, and to the people that believed the twincest he had the best claim, by law again. Just because Stannis claims something does not mean others will beleive it. As far as Renly knows Stannis s making all this up to take his army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis broatheon Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Just because Stannis claims something does not mean others will beleive it. As far as Renly knows Stannis s making all this up to take his army. Stannis is claim was better. I never claimed those things that you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis broatheon Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Stannis was no where to be seen when renly crowned maybe if he had opened his mouth before that or crowned himself then i would call renly usurped stannis Stannis crowned himself after Robert's death in his fortress,DS, did you expect him to go to the Reach to crowm himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogonthedread Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 When thinking about it poor stannis he let one brother die because he thought he wouldnt trust his word and killed another brother because he wont trust him so in the end he could have avoided atleast death of one brother and considering what may happen in winds ..he has brought his entire dynasty to ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Stannis is claim was better. I never claimed those things that you are saying. Stannis does not know that, not for sure. If he had genuine proof that Robert was not the father he would have used it instead of keeping quite for so long. Stannis is jealous over Robert, jealous over Renly, jealous over Ned. Of course he wants to believe that Joffrey and his siblings are bastards as he gets to be King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogonthedread Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Stannis crowned himself after Robert's death in his fortress,DS, did you expect him to go to the Reach to crowm himself? Anyone can correct me if am wrong it was renly who crowned first right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis broatheon Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 When thinking about it poor stannis he let one brother die because he thought he wouldnt trust his word and killed another brother because he wont trust him so in the end he could have avoided atleast death of one brother and considering what may happen in winds ..he has brought his entire dynasty to ground Gendry or Edric Storm will be legitimize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Gendry or Edric Storm will be legitimize Didnt he consider killing Edric? Stannis hates all other Baratheons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis broatheon Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Didnt he consider killing Edric? Stannis hates all other Baratheons. In the books he just consider it because Melisandre told him that it was the only way to safe the world. But he never wanted to kill him because he was innocent, and at the end he thinks that Davos was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogonthedread Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Gendry or Edric Storm will be legitimize Aye those who he tried to burn and dont forget his views on bastards ..if he cant stand beside his own brother and let him take throne ..he is hardly going to let a bastard of robert and all this considering he would be alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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