God-Emperor of Yi Ti Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Steelegrave said: Yes you're right. And Taylor Swift is a musical genius. And in your mind you are listening to shostakovich in disdain, i suppose as the "masses" of 450 people who could be bothered to log on to a fan site follow their drivel. Funny that you don't imagine you might be the one saying "its just noise and not a patch on the original " as the the masses listen to this new fangled rock and roll. Self image... the lies we tell ourselves... Sometimes.. probably most times... an outlier opinion is an outlier because its flawed.... And as stated previously, the people voting 1 don't really get that they're giving themselves away as trolls due to the rules of statistical distributions... Edited May 24, 2016 by God-Emperor of Yi Ti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Emperor of Yi Ti Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Steelegrave said: You sir are a man of distinction and grace. Bravo. yeah GRRM never resorts to unorginal and repetitive tropes at all ... we have someone pretending to be Arya and a real arya pretending to be no-one and sansa pretending to be someone else and sandor clegane pretending to be someone else and random red shirt disguised as Mance and mance disguised as someone else and a fake Aegon and a faceless man pretending to be Pate have i left any out? Mission:Impossible would be proud to have that amount of mask pulling going on..... Edited May 24, 2016 by God-Emperor of Yi Ti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhollo Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, God-Emperor of Yi Ti said: And as stated previously, the people voting 1 don't really get that they're giving themselves away as trolls due to the rules of statistical distributions... Please look up the definition of trolling. Hint: It has nothing to do with statistics. The closest thing to trolling on this thread is the discussion on why people who give 1s or 10s are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstream Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) 16 hours ago, God-Emperor of Yi Ti said: And in your mind you are listening to shostakovich in disdain, i suppose as the "masses" of 450 people who could be bothered to log on to a fan site follow their drivel. Funny that you don't imagine you might be the one saying "its just noise and not a patch on the original " as the the masses listen to this new fangled rock and roll. Sometimes.. probably most times... an outlier opinion is an outlier because its flawed.... And as stated below, the people voting 1 don't really get that they're giving themselves away as trolls due to the rules of statistical distributions... You still don't know what a troll is, and your giving to much validity to an uncontrolled poll of, as you put it "masses" of 450 people. Your PhD in statistics is not going to win this argument. Edited May 24, 2016 by Darkstream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelegrave Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, God-Emperor of Yi Ti said: And in your mind you are listening to shostakovich in disdain, i suppose as the "masses" of 450 people who could be bothered to log on to a fan site follow their drivel. Funny that you don't imagine you might be the one saying "its just noise and not a patch on the original " as the the masses listen to this new fangled rock and roll. Self image... the lies we tell ourselves... Sometimes.. probably most times... an outlier opinion is an outlier because its flawed.... And as stated previously, the people voting 1 don't really get that they're giving themselves away as trolls due to the rules of statistical distributions... Okay lets go another direction. In my country the popular opinion is the best candidates for leader of the once-free-world are Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. One is a narcissistic criminal and the other is a narcissistic criminal According to you those that disagree with popular opinion are trolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstream Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, God-Emperor of Yi Ti said: yeah GRRM never resorts to unorginal and repetitive tropes at all ... we have someone pretending to be Arya and a real arya pretending to be no-one and sansa pretending to be someone else and sandor clegane pretending to be someone else and random red shirt disguised as Mance and mance disguised as someone else and a fake Aegon and a faceless man pretending to be Pate have i left any out? Mission:Impossible would be proud to have that amount of mask pulling going on..... Strawman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Emperor of Yi Ti Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rhollo said: Please look up the definition of trolling. Hint: It has nothing to do with statistics. The closest thing to trolling on this thread is the discussion on why people who give 1s or 10s are wrong. making an exagerrated statement for the purposes of effect is the very heart and soul of trolling. and if a decreasing number of people rate from 7 (24 people) down to 2 (7 people) , which then jumps up to 27 people for 1 [when all statistical laws would say a max of 7 should vote 1] . then those 20 are TROLLS. Edited May 24, 2016 by God-Emperor of Yi Ti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodsoftheNorth Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 It was the best episode in the entire series so far. Like it so many other epis odes were good, but when I watched this one it had everything. It had intense parts like danaerys part, but then really sad parts like with hodorm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelegrave Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 19 minutes ago, Darkstream said: @Steelegrave Also, a bravo to you, good Ser. Right back attcha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstream Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) I love being trolled by a troll, calling me a troll. Aaah, fun times indeed. Edited May 24, 2016 by Darkstream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelegrave Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) 14 minutes ago, God-Emperor of Yi Ti said: yeah GRRM never resorts to unorginal and repetitive tropes at all ... we have someone pretending to be Arya and a real arya pretending to be no-one and sansa pretending to be someone else and sandor clegane pretending to be someone else and random red shirt disguised as Mance and mance disguised as someone else and a fake Aegon and a faceless man pretending to be Pate have i left any out? Mission:Impossible would be proud to have that amount of mask pulling going on..... There is a distinction between occasionally and always. Edited May 24, 2016 by Steelegrave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Emperor of Yi Ti Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, Steelegrave said: There is a disctinction between occasionally and always. whatever gets you through the long wait for the next book where lots of people pretend to be other people. I nearly forgot the related "baby switch/scarper/ under false identity" trope, which along with fAegon, also covers Dany, Jon and looking increasingly likely Tyrion. So that's 6 of the main and the 3 core characters under false identity that "Days of our lives" might reject as unlikely. But like you say occasionally..... And despite all this i like the books because of "willing suspension of disbelief". Look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelegrave Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) 25 minutes ago, God-Emperor of Yi Ti said: making an exagerrated statement for the purposes of effect is the very heart and soul of trolling. and if a decreasing number of people rate from 7 (24 people) down to 2 (7 people) , which then jumps up to 27 people for 1 [when all statistical laws would say a max of 7 should vote 1] . then those 20 are TROLLS. Which statistical laws exactly? A standard bell curve should have near equal values at the extreme ends with higher measures in the moderate values. If one extreme end is substantially higher than the other, I would theorize that those on that disjointed extreme are the trolls. Edited May 24, 2016 by Steelegrave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstream Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) 15 hours ago, Steelegrave said: Which statistical laws exactly? A standard bell curve should have near equal values at the extreme ends with higher measures in the moderate values. If one extreme end is substantially higher than the other, I would theorize that those on that disjointed extreme are the fucking trolls. You forgot to drop the mic. Edited May 24, 2016 by Darkstream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShirt47 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 HODOR / 10 Good solid episode. The stories are really getting into gear now. Arya has a mission but is being reminded of home. Jon and Sansa are seeking support to take on Ramsey. The Iron Islands have a new king and mission. The Riverlands are back in Tully hands. My only niggle is Littlefinger. No idea where that storyline is going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Emperor of Yi Ti Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 22 minutes ago, Steelegrave said: Okay lets go another direction. In my country the popular opinion is the best candidates for leader of the once-free-world are Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. One is a narcissistic criminal and the other is a narcissistic criminal According to you those that disagree with popular opinion are trolls. thought you might take a sidestep. do you understand the difference between assigning a numeric value judgement to something (thereby allowing for statistical analysis) versus picking a discrete candidate? If you want to take politics as an example however you will find that there is a bell curve of political opinion with the majority of people in the centre and a decreasing number as one heads to the extremes.This is mostly a good thing and a tribute to the common sense of people (mostly). This is why primary candidates become more centrist in the general election; because otherwise they cannot win. you have my sympathies regarding the choice in the US, but thats because of the silly primary system. Trump and Clinton are not the most popular politicians in the whole America, there are a whole pile of people who would be ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Emperor of Yi Ti Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 7 minutes ago, Steelegrave said: Which statistical laws exactly? A standard bell curve should have near equal values at the extreme ends with higher measures in the moderate values. If one extreme end is substantially higher than the other, I would theorize that those on that disjointed extreme are the trolls. the statistical law that says that whatever distribution you have ( and it doesn't have to be normal or have a bell shape), the greater the number of standard deviations you move away from the mean, the lesser the expected number of observations. In laymans terms. whether bell shape or otherwise, the slope of the distribution should be downward. 7 observations at 27 observations at 2 has a probability of occurring in the hundreds of billions to 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShirt47 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 On 23/05/2016 at 2:57 AM, paulusar said: Fantastic episode. Sadly there are still trolls here giving 1 out of 10. Stop watching if you don't like it that much. Best show on TV. True, but it's the same people every week giving a 1. They could just go into next week's episode and give a score now, as it will be 1. They aren't scoring the episodes, they just don't like the show. And considering that they have been giving episodes a 1 for several seasons now means that they have stuck around for some reason. They aren't being paid to watch the show (most of them, there may be some actual critics paid to watch). In which case they must be deriving some entertainment and enjoyment out of the show. Thus it is somewhat disingenuous to give every episode a 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelegrave Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 9 minutes ago, God-Emperor of Yi Ti said: thought you might take a sidestep. do you understand the difference between assigning a numeric value judgement to something (thereby allowing for statistical analysis) versus picking a discrete candidate? If you want to take politics as an example however you will find that there is a bell curve of political opinion with the majority of people in the centre and a decreasing number as one heads to the extremes.This is mostly a good thing and a tribute to the common sense of people (mostly). This is why primary candidates become more centrist in the general election; because otherwise they cannot win. you have my sympathies regarding the choice in the US, but thats because of the silly primary system. Trump and Clinton are not the most popular politicians in the whole America, there are a whole pile of people who would be ahead. A whole pile of people tried to be ahead but the Taylor Swift fans and 10 voters, through popularity contests chose them. Regardless of numerical values or discrete candidates, the popular opinion is almost always wrong. And statistics are generally not applicable to value judgements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Emperor of Yi Ti Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, Steelegrave said: A whole pile of people tried to be ahead but the Taylor Swift fans and 10 voters, through popularity contests chose them. Regardless of numerical values or discrete candidates, the popular opinion is almost always wrong. And statistics are generally not applicable to value judgements. you obviously don't work in the gaming industry if you think that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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