Cron Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 4 hours ago, The Dew said: Going against the wall at nearly full force was madness (taking into account the resistance that NW would show), and not so well prepared by Mance. Making a surprise attack at Castle Black was not the best strategy, I agree that he could have laboured more in terms of opening tunnels and climbing unguarded parts of the wall concurrently. It was purely a suicide mission on Mance's part. If he had opened the sealed tunnels then he could have fortified his position behind the wall and on the wall. With 100,000 people one could do a lot. If Bran the Builder built the wall with the assistance of Giants, then Mance Raider could have taken it down (not all of it - only one unguarded tunnel) with the assistance of the Giants. The strategy he applied does not make sense. In addition the Realm South of the Wall was and is in a warring state, who would trust who and march against the wall, since armies were scattered and alliances broken up? No one in my view. Your analysis and assumptions regarding Mance's strategies find me in agreement, as it simply does not make any sense. The only thing that was demonstrated to us was that Mance was a good diplomat and a very lousy strategist. Agreed. AND, of course, none of what you and i have been talkiing about recently even TOUCHES on the fact that ships could take them around the Wall altogether near Eastwatch. (a few thousand fighting men, at least, which would easily have overwhelmed the NW from the south) Or how about the fact that Mance said in Episode 310 (after the Battle at the Wall the night before) that he had just sent 400 men to climb the Wall that morning??? Uhhhh...maybe he should have sent those guys with Tormund, Ygritte and Jon. Then the attack from the south would have been by a few hundred wildings, instead of 20 or 30, in which case the Battle at the Wall would have been successful (no WAY could the NW, short-manned as they were, possibly defend the Wall AND such an invasion of wildings from the south. Mance said some of the 400 wold fall and die, but even if 50 to 100 fell, we're still talking about 300 to 350 attacking from the south. The approximately 100 NW men would have been annihilated, no question) Strategic possibilities go on and on and on. The Wall was just too vulnerable and too big (stretching for too many miles) for the heavily depleted forces of the NW to realistically defend...unless the King/General leading the attack was Mance Rayder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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