ravenous reader Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 A final thought: In 'metallic' terms, we were lied to -- Robert was not 'the true steel'...He was 'lead' a base metal which is known to be highly toxic, especially to children! This is Robert's leaden response when Ned is challenging Robert to muster up some courage, after begging for Lady's and by extension Sansa's life: Quote A Game of Thrones - Eddard III Ned stood, gently disengaging himself from Sansa's grasp. All the weariness of the past four days had returned to him. "Do it yourself then, Robert," he said in a voice cold and sharp as steel. "At least have the courage to do it yourself." [note, Ned not Robert is the steel] Robert looked at Ned with flat, dead eyes and left without a word, his footsteps heavy as lead. Silence filled the hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilish Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On 29/10/2016 at 11:29 PM, ravenous reader said: Why did he let it get that far? I agree in the end he was cornered -- by his own passivity. Always giving way to tyrants -- placating and promoting them -- until they surrounded him. He could have solved this problem with some help, by placating and promoting the person he should have in the first place, namely his underappreciated brother Stannis who would've brought a firm hand to proceedings and ensured a measure of justice. No, he would have promoted them, either by offering them a flashier post or a cushier marriage proposal! Debt has its repercussions. The more debt Robert built up, the stronger Tywin's hand became. At every bail out, the Lannisters would be asking concessions and soon enough Robert was surrounded by Lannisters. TBF Robert still had his joker in his sleeve ie Jamie. Considering that Jamie was KG, Robert was hoping that the old man would appoint Tommen as his heir. Surely his own blood would forgive him all the debt especially if he ends up the wealthiest man alive. However I think that Bob was underestimating the old lion. Soon enough he would have asked his son to be returned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On 29/10/2016 at 11:37 PM, ravenous reader said: A final thought: In 'metallic' terms, we were lied to -- Robert was not 'the true steel'...He was 'lead' a base metal which is known to be highly toxic, especially to children! This is Robert's leaden response when Ned is challenging Robert to muster up some courage, after begging for Lady's and by extension Sansa's life: that robert wasn´t true steel it's an interpretation of a part of the fandom and it could very well be valid, since he isn't strong at moral confrontations and true steel might speak more of the strenght of will, but he is however, in the words of the author, a good guy... that said, lead surely is toxic to children but robert? hmm, if there´s one character we read playing with children it's him (mya), sure not a good father but many others are a lot more toxic to children the great barometer folks put bob against, rhaegar (a man who the reader hasn't even met and who's actions known to us are so negative it's not even funny) yet folks compare him to bob as if he was a good example purely because the guy might be the father of one of the good guys who by the way, is a good person because of eddard stark no one else Against Ned, robert loses as a person but against rhaegar? not in the slightest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maudisdottir Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Robert also had Jon Arryn, so he wasn't entirely surrounded by Lannisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 25 minutes ago, maudisdottir said: Robert also had Jon Arryn, so he wasn't entirely surrounded by Lannisters. Arryn was no better IMO, everything he did helped doom Robert IMO and did nothing good for the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenous reader Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 I happened on a quote that lends credence to my impression of Robert: Quote A Game of Thrones - Eddard IV Ned rose and paced the length of the room. "If the queen had a role in this or, gods forbid, the king himself … no, I will not believe that." Yet even as he said the words, he remembered that chill morning on the barrowlands, and Robert's talk of sending hired knives after the Targaryen princess. He remembered Rhaegar's infant son, the red ruin of his skull, and the way the king had turned away, as he had turned away in Darry's audience hall not so long ago. He could still hear Sansa pleading, as Lyanna had pleaded once. "Most likely the king did not know," Littlefinger said. "It would not be the first time. Our good Robert is practiced at closing his eyes to things he would rather not see." Ned had no reply for that. The face of the butcher's boy swam up before his eyes, cloven almost in two, and afterward the king had said not a word. So how 'good' was 'good King Robert'? 'Good' at ignoring the impact of the atrocities done in his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Not being captain america doesn't mean being evil or a bad person in general, Ned as good a person he is didn't charge sandor in the micah incident as hand of the king, as robert's best friend he had a preety good position to do something aswell, robert is a lazy king not an omnipotent god... Jon wishes death and destruction to every lannister, that's from tywin to tommen and myrcella... Is he a bad guy? that's what robert is truly good at... speaking loud empty threats that he couldn't do in the heat of the moment Not the best person around but not nearly a bad guy (the author thinks the opposite actually), yet he gets more crap from absence of action than characters who truly do bad stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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