Lady Blizzardborn Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, Lost Melnibonean said: But doesn't that only happen to kids, like they can live through chicken pox but it kills adults? Nope. There's no age designation on the variants of greyscale. And chicken pox can actually kill anyone of any age, but kids tend to take it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eden-Mackenzie Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Doesn't Jon tell Val greyscale isn't mortal in kids? Like, specifically mentions kids? Not sure from where Jon gets his medical knowledge, of course, but Jon's (and Val's) knowledge of greyscale makes me think it may be slightly more ubiquitous than the books make it out to be (limited to Shireen and the river). Or, there are two separate diseases that present as greyscale - per the quotes about the disease's progression, face should be affected at the end, resulting in blindness, but Shireen only appears to have been affected on her face. Kinda like the difference between chicken pox and shingles vs. chicken pox and smallpox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Eden-Mackenzie said: Doesn't Jon tell Val greyscale isn't mortal in kids? Like, specifically mentions kids? Not sure from where Jon gets his medical knowledge, of course, but Jon's (and Val's) knowledge of greyscale makes me think it may be slightly more ubiquitous than the books make it out to be (limited to Shireen and the river). Or, there are two separate diseases that present as greyscale - per the quotes about the disease's progression, face should be affected at the end, resulting in blindness, but Shireen only appears to have been affected on her face. Kinda like the difference between chicken pox and shingles vs. chicken pox and smallpox. I think this is a case of unreliable, or uneducated, narrator. The objective info we have seems to indicate two different strains of the same disease, one fatal, and one not. The blindness occurs in the fatal strain, which Shireen didn't have. It is said to affect children more commonly than adults, and children who have survived greyscale are immune to the fatal form aka grey plague. So it seems like Jon is mixing up the fact that children are more vulnerable to greyscale and the non-mortal strain and coming up with the idea that greyscale can't kill children. So yeah there's a chicken pox/shingles thing going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melisandre's Rubies Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 On 1/16/2017 at 2:26 PM, Lifestream said: What about the Great Spring of Sickness? Daeron II Targaryen died during it. Doesn't that debunk what Viserys claimed? It also killed Prince Valarr and Prince Matarys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotting sea cow Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 On 1/17/2017 at 4:51 AM, Universal Sword Donor said: Dany literally shits herself in ADWD she gets so sick from bad water. I think we can rule out her being immune to stuff like the bloody flux, which is dysentery (usually) caused by bacteria found in water. No, she got sick for eating some wild berries, which also induced a miscarriage. Regarding the OP. IIRC there is an unpublished chapter where Tyrion meets the shrouded Lord and make him laugh. In return the shrouded Lord gifted him with not contracting greyscale. GRRM decided to not got for this route because it conduced to a dead end. But in principle this happened during the coma after Tyrion almost drown. Greyscale is not a common sickness. It is Garin's curse strongly associated with the Rhoynar water magic. It may have a role to play in the catastrophe coming to Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, rotting sea cow said: No, she got sick for eating some wild berries, which also induced a miscarriage. Regarding the OP. IIRC there is an unpublished chapter where Tyrion meets the shrouded Lord and make him laugh. In return the shrouded Lord gifted him with not contracting greyscale. GRRM decided to not got for this route because it conduced to a dead end. But in principle this happened during the coma after Tyrion almost drown. Greyscale is not a common sickness. It is Garin's curse strongly associated with the Rhoynar water magic. It may have a role to play in the catastrophe coming to Westeros. Reread her chapter. Seriously it's plain as day. “The stream appeared at eight. Dany cupped her hands to drink. The water made her belly cramp, but cramps were easier to bear than thirst” “Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water. ” The berries might well have made her sicker but the water was already giving her cramps and it makes her condition worse and worse the more she drinks it. I don't know how it can be any more plain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melisandre's Rubies Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Greyscale affects children more often than adults, but is typically less severe or fatal if contracted as an adult. That is similar to Chicken Pox, it's symptoms are much worse and potentially fatal in adults.Though it can still b fatal as Shireen almost died from it as an infant. The people of the Seven Kingdoms, through teachings of the maesters, believe that once a child recovers from it that there is no risk of it becoming active and posing a threat to others. There is also the Grey Plague, that is a far more fatal type of the disease and spreads more quickly but it's believed that those who have survived Greyscale have an immunity to this. In this way it is similar to the Chicken Pox virus, both being more severe in adults than in children and that it builds immunity to further exposure. Chicken Pox stays in your system, in the spinal cord, once you've contracted it and built antibodies that protect you from it in the future. However, this similar virus can be triggered by stress, weakened immune system or exposure to the Chicken Pox virus, and that is what presents as Shingles and why the rash from Shingles occurs on nerve endings. The Wildings however believe that anyone who has had it remains "unclean" and has the potential for the virus to become active and contagious again. This is more similar to Shingles, though Shingles is not contagious to those who have had Chicken Pox and only poses a very slight risk of causing Chicken Pox in someone who hasn't already had it. “ The maesters may believe what they wish. Ask a woods witch if you would know the truth. The grey death sleeps, only to wake again. The child is not clean! - Val to Jon ADoD Jon XI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotting sea cow Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, Universal Sword Donor said: Reread her chapter. Seriously it's plain as day. “The stream appeared at eight. Dany cupped her hands to drink. The water made her belly cramp, but cramps were easier to bear than thirst” “Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water. ” The berries might well have made her sicker but the water was already giving her cramps and it makes her condition worse and worse the more she drinks it. I don't know how it can be any more plain. Unfortunately I disagree Quote "In the khalasar, they used berries like these to flavor roasts" An hour later, her stomach began to cramp so badly that she could not go on. She spent the rest of that day retching up green slime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 25 minutes ago, rotting sea cow said: Unfortunately I disagree You can disagree but her stomach was already cramping from the water. Was something else causing the initial cramps then? This is basically the equivalent of getting a flat tire, filling up with gas, and then blaming the gasoline for the wheel coming off on the highway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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