LHakaLH Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Somewhat related, but it's worth pointing out that Kevan was the one who either pushed for the walk of shame, or OK'ed it. Until the day their lord father's heart had burst in his chest as he was ascending a steep flight of steps to her bed, that is. All the self-seekers who had named themselves her friends and cultivated her favor had abandoned her quickly enough when Tywin had her stripped naked and paraded through Lannisport to the docks, like a common whore. Though no man laid a hand on her, that walk spelled the end of her power. Surely Tywin would never have dreamed that same fate awaited his own golden daughter. "It had to be," Ser Kevan muttered over the last of his wine. His High Holiness had to be appeased. Tommen needed the Faith behind him in the battles to come. And Cersei ... the golden child had grown into a vain, foolish, greedy woman. Left to rule, she would have ruined Tommen as she had Joffrey. The only other time in the story we really hear about a penance walk is when Aerys II does one after the death of his son Jaehaerys (although the text just says it was a walk of repentance, we don't know if he was in his name day gown or not). So I think a punishment of that nature might be a little harsh. Either Kevan suggested it, as a way to humiliate Cersei enough that she goes and hides under a rock (heh), or the High Sparrow did, and Kevan went along with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotting sea cow Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Yes, Kevan not only approved, but orchestrated it. It's clear from those quotes that among the possible punishments for Cersei, it was Kevan who suggested that particular one. It's a very Tywin thing and was meant to cow Cersei into submission. It failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Uncle P Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 55 minutes ago, rotting sea cow said: It's a very Tywin thing and was meant to cow Cersei into submission. It failed. How do we know it failed? As at the end of ADWD Cersei is very submissive indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotting sea cow Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 36 minutes ago, Ser Uncle P said: How do we know it failed? As at the end of ADWD Cersei is very submissive indeed... Indeed, she looks very submissive. The hints are very subtle but first we have this: Quote "Ser Robert," Cersei whispered, as they entered the gates. "If it please Your Grace, Ser Robert has taken a holy vow of silence," Qyburn said. "He has sworn that he will not speak until all of His Grace's enemies are dead and evil has been driven from the realm." Yes, thought Cersei Lannister. Oh, yes. This moment has parallel with Jon's "Ghost" and Dany's "Fire and Blood" moments. All three of them are now fully embracing their - lets say - worst impulses and all three will not have qualms to deal with their enemies. Now, what happens with Cersei is that she will be more subtle than she was before and more patient. Indeed Cersei looks too calm for anybody taste. She doesn't look like despairing as she should. Isn't that strange? She spends one third of her time bathing. For me, it looks too similar to the "hour long squats" of Wyman Manderly. Did Qyburn discover that secret passage to Maegor's Holdfast? We will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bent branch Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Yes Kevin arranged for the WoS, but he had a good reason to do it. It was not simply about pulling the reins in on Cersei, but it was also about saving her life. If Cersei was found guilty of what she was accused of while still in the custody of the church, she would have been put to death immediately. By having Cersei inside the Red Keep, they could refuse to give Cersei back if she was found guilty. That is why the Septon demanded Cersei do the WoS in order to get out of prison, that way Cersei would have some public punishment even if they couldn't get her back after the trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karneol Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 9 hours ago, LHakaLH said: Either Kevan suggested it, as a way to humiliate Cersei enough that she goes and hides under a rock (heh), or the High Sparrow did, and Kevan went along with it. I dont thing he suggested it because the HS would be super suspious about it. The HS probably expected a plea for mercy for Cersei from Kevan and asking for a WoS would be ... odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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