cirah1712 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 18 hours ago, StoneColdJorahMormont said: First one, despite Sansa not liking Dany at this point, is she at least acknowledging her as the true queen ? the line "Winterfell is yours your grace" even if said tongue in cheek which I doubt she would give Dany the satisfaction of using grace in reference to her even if it was meant as a joke, seems to show she acknowledges her as the true queen of Westeros ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the WW cant travel in water, why have the westeros armies not planned their initial assault/defense from off the coast in ships ? set up camp in boats with arrows made of dragonglass and fire... and take out as many of the WW as possible before having to come on shore, at least this way it will lessen the numbers of the WW and reduce their own casualties. The only reason behind not doing this now is the Dragon the WK possesses however he is still going to be able to get to them as easily in their castles or open ground... is there any mention why this isn't a possibility ? From whats been seen the WK is seeking out them not the other way round.... so whether they are at winterfell or off the coast in ships he would come and they could take a large number down from the safety of the boats before needing to fight hand to hand. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Something I never heard mentioned in the show or may have missed, why is John the true heir if Dany is the daughter of the mad king and john his grandson, do Westeros have a closest male successor setup ? Jon is Rhaegar's son. Rhaegar was next in line for the Thrones as he was Aerys' oldest son. Since Jon is his heir once he died the thrones would've passed to him. If any of that meant anything now anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirah1712 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 hours ago, darmody said: What's silly is the girl power trip the show took in season Six. Basically women ruled everywhere except the Iron Islands and the North. And that was the one place where the girl really should have inherited. Because Jon is just a bastard and Sansa is the eldest natural daughter of Ned Stark. (and Bran hadn't shown up yet, and anyway has procreation issues.) I don't know who should have had Highgarden. Yara rebelled against her duly-elected uncle. The less said about Dorne the better, but she was a mistress with a brood of snarling bastards who killed the rightful ruler because he had gout or something. Their is no possible way Cersei has a claim. If anything, it would go to Jaime before her. But it shouldn't go to either. Cersai sits on the throne because all her children died and so there were no more male heirs left. But mainly its Bc she wanted to be Queen and no one could exactly stop her. It is a male first system, but when there is no male heir it falls to a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deminelle Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 When does Gendry come in to picture? Refresh my mind, was his mother still a mystery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirah1712 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 minute ago, cirah1712 said: Cersai sits on the throne because all her children died and so there were no more male heirs left. But mainly its Bc she wanted to be Queen and no one could exactly stop her. It is a male first system, but when there is no male heir it falls to a woman. Also at this stage in the show, it has nothing to do with who is the rifghtful ruler of the kingdom. Its about who wants it. The rightful heir hasn't ruled westeros since King Aerys died or if you count Robert Bar a the on as stealing the throne from the Targaryens rightfully, then he was the last true King, as none of Cersai's children were his. Stannis should've been next in line for the throne after he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Cambodia Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, cirah1712 said: Cersai sits on the throne because all her children died and so there were no more male heirs left. But mainly its Bc she wanted to be Queen and no one could exactly stop her. It is a male first system, but when there is no male heir it falls to a woman. Varys explained power clearly to Tyrion way back, when he was HotK. Power resides where people believe it to be, and Cercei has basically eliminated everyone bar her twin bro who doesn't see it her way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirah1712 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Deminelle said: When does Gendry come in to picture? Refresh my mind, was his mother still a mystery? He's Robert Baratheon's bastard. So he hasn't got a claim to the throne because he is not his true born son, so Stannis would have been higher up than him. If Robert had no siblings or other family to pass the throne too, then it would've gone to Gendry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajjo Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deminelle said: When does Gendry come in to picture? Refresh my mind, was his mother still a mystery? Her mother is an unknown tavern wench. Unimportant. At least as far as we know. The show set up for a "dark-haired first born child" of Cersei and Robert Baratheon. Maybe a red herring, maybe a early plot-hole, but maybe something more to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirah1712 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 minute ago, House Cambodia said: Varys explained power clearly to Tyrion way back, when he was KotH. Power resides where people believe it to be, and Cercei has basically eliminated everyone bar her twin bro who doesn't see it her way. Exactly. Cersai has no birth rite to the throne. She's not a blood relative of Robert Baratheon or King Aerys. She became Queen because she wanted it and no one else was around to stop her from taking the throne when Tommen died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Cambodia Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deminelle said: When does Gendry come in to picture? Refresh my mind, was his mother still a mystery? Supposedly, as Robert's only surviving bastard, he has Baratheon blood and therefore has a stronger claim than anyone else alive. Gendry believes his mother to have been one of Robert's many passing whores. However, I have read a most intriguing theory than Gendry is, in fact, the only real child of Robert and Cercei, and it was Cercei in season 1 who was actually keeping an eye on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajjo Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 minute ago, cirah1712 said: She became Queen because she wanted it and no one else was around to stop her from taking the throne when Tommen died. Right. So what? Conquering the throne is a valid way. No matter whether with force or intrigue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deminelle Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kajjo said: Her mother is an unknown tavern wench. Unimportant. At least as far as we know. The show set up for a "dark-haired first born child" of Cersei and Robert Baratheon. Maybe a red herring, maybe a early plot-hole, but maybe something more to it. And they wouldn't introduce us at this point something like Robert was actually married to this wench making Gendry the heir all Cersei's children illegitimate? EDIT: Oh yes, the theory of him being Robert's and Cersei's son. Well, we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Cambodia Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Kajjo said: Right. So what? Conquering the throne is a valid way. No matter whether with force or intrigue. Insofar as 'history is written by the winners' only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirah1712 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Deminelle said: What I meant to ask earlier: since Jon is the true King and Sansa should have inherited the North, how do Dany and Sansa rank in regards to one another, the first being an aunt to Jon and the other a cousin? Theyre not related by blood. They just have being related to Jon in common. And actually as a true born son of Need Stark, Bran would be the true heir of Winterfell, but since he doesn't want to be, Sansa just took the title for herself, and no one really objected. And yes, Jon is the true King, but if he doesn't want to be King then he doesn't have to be. Too much has happened now for the throne to actually go to the rightful heir. It would just diminish Daenerys claim to the throne if people found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirah1712 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kajjo said: Right. So what? Conquering the throne is a valid way. No matter whether with force or intrigue. Yeah. Didn't say it wasn't. I'm just saying that Cersai had no legitimate claim to the throne, which she didn't. She took the throne and that's fair enough, it was left open when Tommen died. Anyone could have taken it, it just happened to be Cersai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darmody Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, cirah1712 said: Cersai sits on the throne because all her children died and so there were no more male heirs left. But mainly its Bc she wanted to be Queen and no one could exactly stop her. It is a male first system, but when there is no male heir it falls to a woman Falls to a woman if she's in the royal line, which Cersei is not. Her sons were presumptive heirs of the ruling House Baratheon. If there were no Baratheons left and the crown were to go to a Lannister, it would go to senior male Lannisters first. And I think Cersei is supposed to be ruling as a Lannister rather than as Robert's widow. Jaime before Cersei, because he is no longer Kingsguard. Whatever happened to Kevan, I forget? Did he burn in the Sept? If he's still alive somewhere I guess he'd come before Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirah1712 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deminelle said: And they wouldn't introduce us at this point something like Robert was actually married to this wench making Gendry the heir all Cersei's children illegitimate? EDIT: Oh yes, the theory of him being Robert's and Cersei's son. Well, we'll see. All of Cersai's children were illegitimate anyway, since they aren't Roberts. But so is Gendry, unless they pull some twist that Robert was married to his mother, but that's extremely unlikely and kind of stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirah1712 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 minute ago, darmody said: Falls to a woman of she's in the royal line, which Cersei is not. Her sons were presumptive heirs of the ruling House Baratheon. If there were no Baratheons left and the crown were to go to a Lannister, it would go to senior male Lannisters first. Jaime before Cersei, because he is no longer Kingsguard. Cersai's children were not Baratheons though, they were all Lannisters, because they are Jaime and Cersai's children. They were also bastards. That's the entire premise of the show, that after Robert's death, Joffrey shouldnt have been King, that's why there was a war? Cersai took the throne because it was left open for the taking, and Jaime wasn't going to stop her. Cersai isn't meant to be on the throne, but the rightful person hasn't sat on that throne since Robert Baratheon, possibly even before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darmody Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, House Cambodia said: Supposedly, as Robert's only surviving bastard, he has Baratheon blood and therefore has a stronger claim than anyone else alive. That's an odd claim. Bastards can't inherit. Also, wasn't part of Robert's original claim that he had some Dragon Blood in 'im? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirah1712 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, cirah1712 said: Cersai sits on the throne because all her children died and so there were no more male heirs left. But mainly its Bc she wanted to be Queen and no one could exactly stop her. It is a male first system, but when there is no male heir it falls to a woman. Bran would be true heir of Winter fell and the North, if he wanted the title. He is Ned Sticks eldest, living, true born son. As long as he is alive, regardless of whether he products an heir, Sansa's claim to Winterfell could always be tested. It would only ever truly be hers if Bran died, as there would be no more living male heirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Cambodia Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 minute ago, darmody said: That's an odd claim. Bastards can't inherit. Also, wasn't part of Robert's original claim that he had some Dragon Blood in 'im? Roose 'unbastardised' his son, so it appears to be a thing. Anyway, I like the idea of Gendry being a secret love child - of the king and queen! The first Baratheon, Orys, was half-brother of Aegon the Conquerer, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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