Mister Smikes Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) On 12/22/2021 at 6:08 AM, Shagwell the mad jester said: I have answered already, what my opinion about Quentyn is. First, he fits the trope of the prince that goes on adventure to meet his princess. He tries himself as a dragonrider. Both these things fail miserably. The theory (somebody brought up in this thread before me) that GRRM is ironizing (or "deconstructing" as others may prefer) a literary trope of the whole genre cannot so easily be dismissed. Okay. I dislike it. And could raise several points against it. But I would never say it was based on nothing. I would never say there was no evidence for it. It is not as though GRRM has not done vaguely similar things before, first with the death of Ned; and then with the deaths of Robb and Catelyn. On 12/22/2021 at 6:08 AM, Shagwell the mad jester said: Second, the result of his actions is that he released the dragons - without doubt an important plot twist, that does justify a few POVs. And Quentyn's POVs gives us some insights about the sellsword companies he travels with. We can surely discuss, if there aren't too many POVs of Quentyn's or if a POV by e.g. Drinkwater wouldn't have been better. But in my opinion this is already enough for Quentyn to "have a point" as the thread title questions. This explanation does not explain. For the dragons to be released, GRRM does not need to supply 4 POV chapters, and many other chapters in other POVs, devoted to backstory of one of several people who happened to be involved in releasing dragons who (judging from what they were doing to the Pit) were just about on the verge of escaping anyway. Your first explanation is more plausible. Because as much as I hate nihilistic decontruction, I cannot prove, ultimately, that this is not exactly what GRRM is up to. On 12/22/2021 at 6:08 AM, Shagwell the mad jester said: Edit: Quentyn shows that you can have Targaryen blood and still not be a dragonrider. This may or may not be important for the further plot, but it is something that should be noticed. Quentyn was attacked by Dragon B, while trying to tame Dragon A. Dragon A (Viserion) even seemed to be responding to Quentyn, and that's not just my opinion. It is also the opinion voiced in the RADIO WESTEROS discussion linked to above, and those guys believe Q is dead. If Frog failed and died (and I don't think he did), we learned nothing about whether or not he could, potentially, have become a dragonrider given the right circumstances. He would be just one of many potential dragonriders who died without ever riding a dragon: Rhaegar, Viserys, Aerys, Rhaella, many others. Edited December 25, 2021 by Mister Smikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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