Arys, the Oakheart

[Takiedevushkikakzvezdy]

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He is present in the throne room when the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, Ser Barristan Selmy, is dismissed, and he laughs at his former Sworn Brother's shame.

But in AFFC, we see that Arys takes his knightly vows seriously and is is really conflicted about breaking them. Wouldn't it be out of character for someone like that to laugh at the dismissal of a fellow Kingsguard knight, let alone someone as legendary as Barristan Selmy?

Could it be simply because GRRM hadn't fleshed out his character yet, or am I missing something?

[Craving Peaches]

That does seem a bit odd. People can laugh when they are shocked, but I'm not sure if that's what GRRM was going for. An alternative is that he was laughing because everyone else was laughing in a sort of 'follow the leader' thing.

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They all laughed then, Joffrey on his throne, and the lords standing attendance, Janos Slynt and Queen Cersei and Sandor Clegane and even the other men of the Kingsguard, the five who had been his brothers until a moment ago. Surely that must have hurt the most, Sansa thought.

But I think what you suggest is the most likely answer. Character just hadn't been fleshed out yet.

[Takiedevushkikakzvezdy]

14 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

But I think what you suggest is the most likely answer. Character just hadn't been fleshed out yet.

Doesn't he also beat Sansa at Joffrey's command, although not as hard as the other Kingsguard knights?

[Aebram]

6 hours ago, Craving Peaches said:

An alternative is that he was laughing because everyone else was laughing in a sort of 'follow the leader' thing.

More specifically: when the king laughs, it might be considered discourteous not to laugh along with him.

[sifth]

It seems a bit out of character for him, but keep in mind Arys Oakeart was pretty much a blank slate at that point, so yea he wasn't fleshed out.

The first book has a lot of strange things though, that don't match up. This is the same chapter, where Joff asks for Doran Martell and "ALL OF HIS SONS", to show up to court and swear their loyalty to him. Not "BOTH OF HIS SONS", which is what the line should be. Ignoring that, neither of his sons is even his heir to begin with, so the line makes no sense all together.

Edited September 17, 2023 by sifth

[Takiedevushkikakzvezdy]

11 hours ago, sifth said:

The first book has a lot of strange things though, that don't match up. This is the same chapter, where Joff asks for Doran Martell and "ALL OF HIS SONS", so show up to court and swear their loyalty to him. Not "BOTH OF HIS SONS", which is what the line should be. Ignoring that, neither of his sons is even his heir to begin with, so the line makes no sense all together.

Also Mace Tyrell and his brothers, even though Mace only has two sisters. Although this can be attributed to Sansa still being in shock after Ned's death and not thinking straight at that moment.

[sifth]

18 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

Also Mace Tyrell and his brothers, even though Mace only has two sisters. Although this can be attributed to Sansa still being in shock after Ned's death and not thinking straight at that moment.

Actually that chapter happens just before Ned dies. It's the one where she begs Joff to be merciful on Ned.

[Takiedevushkikakzvezdy]

3 hours ago, sifth said:

Actually that chapter happens just before Ned dies. It's the one where she begs Joff to be merciful on Ned.

Yeah, you’re right. But my headcanon is still that it’s due to Sansa being shell shocked.

[James Steller]

15 hours ago, sifth said:

 

The first book has a lot of strange things though, that don't match up. This is the same chapter, where Joff asks for Doran Martell and "ALL OF HIS SONS", to show up to court and swear their loyalty to him. Not "BOTH OF HIS SONS", which is what the line should be. Ignoring that, neither of his sons is even his heir to begin with, so the line makes no sense all together.

Not to mention Tyrion’s acrobatics.

[Craving Peaches]

18 minutes ago, James Steller said:

Not to mention Tyrion’s acrobatics.

Love how Tyrion does like 5 handsprings and summersaults no problem but then a chapter later his legs cramp from walking up a slight incline.

[Craving Peaches]

54 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

Love how Tyrion does like 5 handsprings and summersaults no problem but then a chapter later his legs cramp from walking up a slight incline.

AGoT, Jon I

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"Oh, bleed that," the little man said. He pushed himself off the ledge into empty air. Jon gasped, then watched with awe as Tyrion Lannister spun around in a tight ball, landed lightly on his hands, then vaulted backward onto his legs.

No cramp.

AGoT, Tyrion II

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The walk was short, but the ground was rough underfoot and his legs were cramping badly by the time they got back. 

Cramp from a short walk.

???

I think the acrobatics does start taking its toll in ADwD, but this is too little too late as really it should be impossible for Tyrion to do any of it in the first place.

Edited September 17, 2023 by Craving Peaches

[Craving Peaches]

57 minutes ago, James Steller said:

Not to mention Tyrion’s acrobatics.

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