DanteGabriel Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 [quote name='SergioCQH' post='1665622' date='Jan 28 2009, 12.37']1.) Virginity has been treated as a commodity by patriarchy and as a tool to keep women in their place (almost her exact words). 2.) ???? 3.) Therefore, I can treat my own virginity as a commodity if I want.[/quote] 2.) "My virginity has no value to me, but based on thousands of years of cross-cultural tradition regarding the monetary value of virginity, someone else may be willing to pay to deflower me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergioCQH Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 It's too bad your 2 has no logical relationship to 1 or 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornish Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I don't see why 3 requires any logical justification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellis Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Call me old-school, but I really could not ever respect a person who made her arguments. Nor could I say that just because she chose to sell her virginity, it justified the fact that most people who were willing to do so did so because they lived in a patriarchy that considered this a commodity in the first place. To me it strikes of trivializing of an issue that is very real to most women in the world. Look, I'm so liberated it means nothing to me. Except it only works because the rest of women don't have your choices. On a separate note, am I the only one who [i]doesn't[/i] think that her first time was meaningless? Sure, it's just as well that it didn't work out between us, and we were incompatible in the long run. But it was actually pretty damn special exploring my sexuality in the context of a mutually respectful relationship. I wouldn't have traded that aspect of my youth for a monetary transaction with some misogynist who only saw me as a hymen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergioCQH Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 [quote]I don't see why 3 requires any logical justification.[/quote] Sure it does. If she expects to be treated as a serious college-educated academic, she should realize that her use of her body violates Kantian deontological ethics and should be justified on a sound ethical basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 It doesn't need a logical justification. I don't think she's trying to use her multimillion dollar hymen to end the commodification of virginity. She's merely subverting an existing system to her own benefit. Like I said, you're overthinking this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 What I want to know is why she isn't monitoring the bids for her virginity from a jail cell? I'm pretty sure things like prostitution and solicitation (which is what she's doing, right?) are illegal. Illegal everywhere but Nevada, I guess :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornish Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 because it aint illegal in Nevada and shouldn't be anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergioCQH Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 [quote]It doesn't need a logical justification. I don't think she's trying to use her multimillion dollar hymen to end the commodification of virginity. She's merely subverting an existing system to her own benefit. Like I said, you're overthinking this.[/quote] So this is what she should have said instead of spouting that crap about Women's Studies opening her eyes and historical European dowry practices: "I want to make some money and some chauvinistic pigs out there are willing to pay a lot of money to deflower me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 [quote name='Prince of the North' post='1665652' date='Jan 28 2009, 12.57']What I want to know is why she isn't monitoring the bids for her virginity from a jail cell? I'm pretty sure things like prostitution and solicitation (which is what she's doing, right?) are illegal. Illegal everywhere but Nevada, I guess :dunno:[/quote] She's running the auction through the Bunny Ranch in Nevada, a legal (and somewhat famous) brothel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoN Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 [quote]On a separate note, am I the only one who doesn't think that her first time was meaningless? Sure, it's just as well that it didn't work out between us, and we were incompatible in the long run. But it was actually pretty damn special exploring my sexuality in the context of a mutually respectful relationship. I wouldn't have traded that aspect of my youth for a monetary transaction with some misogynist who only saw me as a hymen.[/quote] I know one or two women who had first times that they spoke of fondly, with no regrets. But the overwhelming majority of my female friends and family members look back on it with either some regret or even shame, or at best a non-experience. Sad, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelli Fury Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 [quote name='Prince of the North' post='1665652' date='Jan 28 2009, 11.57']What I want to know is why she isn't monitoring the bids for her virginity from a jail cell? I'm pretty sure things like prostitution and solicitation (which is what she's doing, right?) are illegal. Illegal everywhere but Nevada, I guess :dunno:[/quote] oh yeah, because what she's doing is soooo dangerous she should be kept from the rest of the world. Even when you are picked up on prostitution, you're fined, you are not imprisoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornish Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 [quote name='SergioCQH' post='1665659' date='Jan 28 2009, 13.00']So this is what she should have said instead of spouting that crap about Women's Studies opening her eyes and historical European dowry practices: "I want to make some money and some chauvinistic pigs out there are willing to pay a lot of money to deflower me."[/quote]That may not be an effective marketing strategy. I think the situation adequately mocks the ridiculousness of our sex obsessed culture. Better perhaps as a bizarre form of performance art than thesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergioCQH Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 [quote]That may not be an effective marketing strategy. I think the situation adequately mocks the ridiculousness of our sex obsessed culture. Better perhaps as a bizarre form of performance art than thesis.[/quote] I'll buy that. This American culture is fucked up about sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 [quote name='Kay Fury' post='1665663' date='Jan 28 2009, 11.05']oh yeah, because what she's doing is soooo dangerous she should be kept from the rest of the world. Even when you are picked up on prostitution, you're fined, you are not imprisoned.[/quote] Fines and jail time vary, apparently [was interested enough to look] but she's found a way around it through Nevada and what looks to be like a brothel/escort type thing. Looks like she can have her cock and eat it too. I would fucking [i]die[/i] if this was my daughter, but what could I actually do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 [quote name='SergioCQH' post='1665659' date='Jan 28 2009, 13.00']So this is what she should have said instead of spouting that crap about Women's Studies opening her eyes and historical European dowry practices: "I want to make some money and some chauvinistic pigs out there are willing to pay a lot of money to deflower me."[/quote] The way you talk about this, it seems like she's personally offended you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergioCQH Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Nah, I like her. I like what she stands for. You go girl! (I just don't buy her BS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornish Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 So, anyone know what she's charging for round 2? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 [quote name='Dornish' post='1665677' date='Jan 28 2009, 18.16']So, anyone know what she's charging for round 2? ;)[/quote] It's an auction, she's not charging anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nichole Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 [quote name='Bellis' post='1665648' date='Jan 28 2009, 12.55']Call me old-school, but I really could not ever respect a person who made her arguments. Nor could I say that just because she chose to sell her virginity, it justified the fact that most people who were willing to do so did so because they lived in a patriarchy that considered this a commodity in the first place. To me it strikes of trivializing of an issue that is very real to most women in the world. Look, I'm so liberated it means nothing to me. Except it only works because the rest of women don't have your choices. On a separate note, am I the only one who [i]doesn't[/i] think that her first time was meaningless? Sure, it's just as well that it didn't work out between us, and we were incompatible in the long run. But it was actually pretty damn special exploring my sexuality in the context of a mutually respectful relationship. I wouldn't have traded that aspect of my youth for a monetary transaction with some misogynist who only saw me as a hymen.[/quote] I don't look back on my first time with any fondness. I picked an abusive looser to deflower me. $3 million looks a hell of lot better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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