Larry of the Lawn Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I don't really believe this, but...Jon is Azor Ahai. Longclaw is Lightbringer - it's been held by an old northern house so it would be close at hand to fight the Others. He earned it by being reborn in fire - killing the wight. The salt part comes in because he was assigned to the Stewards (manage the salt?). He should have used it to stab Ygritte through the heart and it probably would have started to glow.The burned hand is there to keep poking the reader in the face and say "hey, remember that I'm still dangling this Azor Ahai / maybe prince who was promised prophecy thing while also suggesting R + L = J." The night is dark and full of terrible crackpot theories... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silmarien Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I wouldn't be surprised if it was brought up, during his whole engagmetns that he'll have with dany... if she sees his burned hand probably be like.. well we can burn more than that.. or some other one-liner.. i don't know if that's the reason he burned his hand, or if martin isj ust giving us a sense of his mortalitiy or what... but i think it coudl serve that literarally role later on.Nah, Dany has burned hands after riding Drogon, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wood of the Morning Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 With my 20/20 hindsight I see his flexing as foreshadowing. I can't recall the exact quote but it's something along the lines of how if he let's his hand become stiff it might cramp up on him when he needs it most. /shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silmarien Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 With my 20/20 hindsight I see his flexing as foreshadowing. I can't recall the exact quote but it's something along the lines of how if he let's his hand become stiff it might cramp up on him when he needs it most. /shrugThat's what supposedly happened to him when he got "assassinated" by those people, right?I always thought that last chapter of Jon's was really weird... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 That's what supposedly happened to him when he got "assassinated" by those people, right?I always thought that last chapter of Jon's was really weird...I think he had to disarm himself while with Selyse (like with Stannis) and someone messed with his weapon during that time. I think that the hand is reminder that the leader should never feel too relaxed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silmarien Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I think he had to disarm himself while with Selyse (like with Stannis) and someone messed with his weapon during that time. I think that the hand is reminder that the leader should never feel too relaxed.Ah. Well I meant during the whole Caesar affair. His hand freezes up and he also can't get Longclaw out of its scabbard. Which is weird because Jon has never had this issue before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromisedPrince Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 *sigh*It's Jon's right and Vic's left ><.*sigh*It's Jon's right and Vic's left ><.i dont know if wun wun was joking but i had the idea that longclaw would be used to kill ghost whilst hes on the funeral pire n dany would be the one to light the fire because of the whole "...three fires must you light...one for life and one for death and one to love.." prophecyjons body would be in the salt under the wall and he would be reborn as azor ahai with longclaw turning into lightbringer because of the sacrifice... i could be wrong but i dont think GRRM would keep ghost around if jon was to ride a dragon so it would make sense..plus it would signify the whole turning from stark to targaryen thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Hummingbird Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 jons body would be in the salt under the wall and he would be reborn as azor ahai with longclaw turning into lightbringer because of the sacrifice... i could be wrong but i dont think GRRM would keep ghost around if jon was to ride a dragon so it would make sense..plus it would signify the whole turning from stark to targaryen thingThe dragons would still belong to Daenerys, why wouldn't he keep Ghost?? Ghost is already a Targaryen wolf, it has always been Jon outter Targaryen's traits manifestation with his white hair, red eyes, and not being with the rest of the cubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Spearwife Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 i dont know if wun wun was joking but i had the idea that longclaw would be used to kill ghost whilst hes on the funeral pire n dany would be the one to light the fire because of the whole "...three fires must you light...one for life and one for death and one to love.." prophecyjons body would be in the salt under the wall and he would be reborn as azor ahai with longclaw turning into lightbringer because of the sacrifice... i could be wrong but i dont think GRRM would keep ghost around if jon was to ride a dragon so it would make sense..plus it would signify the whole turning from stark to targaryen thingI rather think Wun Wun was joking. That's mostly because of the sunglasses smiley, lol.Also, NO. I will be very angry and bad things will happen if Ghost is killed by Jon because of some stupid prophecy. There will be no killing of Ghost, and definitely not by Jon for ANY reason, understood? We've had enough direwolf murder.The dragons would still belong to Daenerys, why wouldn't he keep Ghost?? Ghost is already a Targaryen wolf, it has always been Jon outter Targaryen's traits manifestation with his white hair, red eyes, and not being with the rest of the cubs.No, I think Ghost is the manifestation of the old gods. Jon comments on his resemblance to the heart trees. Being an outcast is reminiscent of his bastardy. Besides, red eyes aren't a Targaryen thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arionis Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 No, I think Ghost is the manifestation of the old gods. Jon comments on his resemblance to the heart trees. Being an outcast is reminiscent of his bastardy. Besides, red eyes aren't a Targaryen thing.But are a typcal trait of Rh'llor.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budj Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 But are a typcal trait of Rh'llor..Ghost's eyes are the red of the weirwood sap - I believe a distinction is made between Mel's eyes and Ghost's in the book. Most definitely Ghost's color scheme is to show that Jon is not really a part of their pack - while still connected to them - but I like to read into it more that the old gods have a purpose for him too. I wonder what Maggy the Frog would say if she ever met Jon and Ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Soofya Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 During the first three books, I believed that Jon Burning his hand, and Catlyn getting her hand wounded had something to do with eachoter... I didn't no what but I was really sure it would come together.But when Catlyn became Stoneheart... It didn't really make sense anymore. Now I just think it is just a heroic signature wound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushido Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 There is no significant connection,besides both of them trying to save lives,their own and of the other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Soofya Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I agree, with you.It was something of which I thought it would make sense later on... but it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independent George Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Maybe Jon will join the burned men and wrest leadership from Timmett son of Timmett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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