PrinceHenryris Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Yeah I kind of figured. I PrinceHenryris: Why do you have a bunch of people in the Kingsguard who arn't knights? I know alot of other people also have it but I don't understand the point. And do you really expect the Greatjon to leave his position as head of House Umber to be a bodyguard down in King's Landing? I know I'm a bit picky but several times that I've seen it its annoyed me.I made my choices based on who I'd want protecting me.I don't care if every member of MY KG had oil spilled on them or not. I'd bet the Greatjon would take the job if the gold/other compensation were right.Remember, we're fantasizing about a fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychogobstopper Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 PrinceHenryris: Why do you have a bunch of people in the Kingsguard who arn't knights? I know alot of other people also have it but I don't understand the point. And do you really expect the Greatjon to leave his position as head of House Umber to be a bodyguard down in King's Landing? I know I'm a bit picky but several times that I've seen it its annoyed me.I know PrinceHenryris already answered this question, but I'll offer an answer for my lists as well. I'm not as interested in the influence of the Faith of the Seven and its inherent link to knighthood as I would be in who could do the job. I did attempt to stick to people who would be likely to consider joining the Kingsguard (i.e., not heirs to Houses, and so on), hence starting with several individuals who have already been members. I added Areo Hotah because he's an excellent bodyguard for House Martell (and since my Queen Consort would be Arianne Martell, I think I'd stand a chance of convincing him to leave Dorne); I added Brienne of Tarth since being Kingsguard is essentially her greatest ambition in life (ignoring the fact that she is heir to House Tarth); and I added Syrio Forell because I couldn't resist having one admittedly "wishful thinking" person on my list. I put Thoros of Myr in my second take on a Kingsguard because I like the idea of having a "wizard" around to support the others, though I admit this is likely a "wishful thinking" addition as well since there would probably be some blowback from knighting a priest of R'hllor.I quite like Gurkhal's idea of expanding the Kingsguard to nine members and having each position be representative of a region of the realm, rather than maintaining the Faith's religious numerology of seven. Such a move would fit nicely with my own desire to move the High Septon out of King's Landing and back to Oldtown.I'd bet the Greatjon would take the job if the gold/other compensation were right.That doesn't really make any sense. Why would anyone forsake a lordship they already hold for a life on the Kingsguard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Last Direwolf Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 King and Queen - Daenerys and RobbHand: Lord Tywin Lannister - heartless bastard, maybe, but he knows his stuff.Small Council:Master of Coin - LittlefingerMaster of Ships - Davos SeaworthyMaster of Laws - Ned StarkMaster of Whisperers - VarysMaster of Arms - Brynden TullyGrand Maester - AemonKingsguard:Lord Commander - BarristanLorasJonBrienneAdam MarbrandBalon SwannJorah Mormont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar The Chef Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Hand -- Tywin LannisterI'd suck as a King and it appears to me that everyone in Westeros sucks at being King too so I'd kick back and let Tywin do his thing.Master of Coin -- LittlefingerHas a gift for conjuring dragons out of thin air. Pair him with Tywin, the richest man in the 7 Kingdoms and I think we can reduce or even eliminate that huge debt.Master of Ships -- Paxter RedwyneWho better than the commander of the largest fleet in Westeros for this position?Grand Maester -- Maester LuwinI like this guy alot, and I think he's the only Maester in the series that actually has a pair. Would be able to give objective and helpful advice.Master of Laws -- Oberyn MartellThis seems kind of like a no show position, so I'd just give it to this guy to represent Dorne and to get his opinion. Oberyn actually seems highly intelligent if not a little rash but I'd want his thoughts anyways.Master of Whisperers -- ELIMINATEDShow me one instance in the entire history of Westeros where the man in this position actually helps the King? To replace this position I'd create a new seat, MASTER OF STATEMaster of State -- Renly BaratheonHis job would be to represent the King, and establish good foreign relations with the Free Cities and the rest of the world. Would also act as an internal ambassador, treating with lords across Westeros to help strengthen relations. Everyone loves Renly (save Stannis) so he gets the job.Lord Commander of the Kingsguard -- Barristan SelmyHe's fucking awesomeRest of the Kingsguard --Jamie LannisterAero HotahBalon SwannSyrio ForelStrong BelwasThe HoundI wanted to represent the North in this list but as I thought about it I think it's best to let the North remain in the North... Completely different culture up there, don't have politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceHenryris Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Master of Ships -- Paxter RedwyneWho better than the commander of the largest fleet in Westeros for this position?Not necessarily the best choice IM(n)HO. I recently re-read Roger Crowley's excellent "Empires of the Sea". For those not familiar with the book, it chronicles the Turkish/Islami vs. Spanish/Christiain battles in the Meditaranean in the 1500s.Who owned the Galleys apparently made a huge impact on how things went down. Andrea Doria, widely considered one of the most skilled naval commanders, was notoriously cautious because he owned most of the Galleys in his fleet.Fast forward to WWI, after the Battle of Jelicho, the German battlewagons rarely, if ever left port. The cost of the losses would have been too high.So I don't think a Redwyne would be the best choice.If I were building a defensive fleet with offensive capabilities, I'd go with Davos.If I needed a commander to meet an invading fleet at sea, I'd go with Victarion or Asha. Euron would probably be good too, but I don't trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceHenryris Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 @gobstopperI never said The GreatJon would have to give up his lands and title to join my KG. I'm the King.If the GreatJon wants to keep his titles and land, and try to have more kids than Walder Frey, I don't care. I just want to have one of the most certified BAMFS in the series watching my back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str8 outta Old Town Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Hand: The only choice is Davos, singlehandedly keeps Stannis in the game.Master of coin: Dolorous Ed- I reckon he'll be good at it, lots of accounting in a kitchen.Master of Whispers: Tyrion LannisterGrand Maester: Samwell TarlyMaster of Ships: Asha GreyjoyMaster of Law: Ned Stark - The OLD lawsKingsguard:Brienne of TarthGreatjon UmberArya Stark - Sneak attack is the best form of defenceThe HoundMag the MightyBronnDuncan The Tall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkhal Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I made my choices based on who I'd want protecting me.I don't care if every member of MY KG had oil spilled on them or not. I'd bet the Greatjon would take the job if the gold/other compensation were right.I think that you would be doing yourself a disservice by dragging the Kingsguard's reputation and image in the mud. They are linked to the king and by making them a band of toughmen bodyguards rather than something more in the minds of the people, I think that you would be hurting your own image and potentially cause friction with the nobility.I know PrinceHenryris already answered this question, but I'll offer an answer for my lists as well. I'm not as interested in the influence of the Faith of the Seven and its inherent link to knighthood as I would be in who could do the job.Alright that's you choice but I think that the same thing I wrote above would apply to you as well. I did attempt to stick to people who would be likely to consider joining the Kingsguard (i.e., not heirs to Houses, and so on), hence starting with several individuals who have already been members. Yeah that seems reasonable. I mean we know how Tywin liked having Jaime join the Kingsguard so it would probably be best to go for second or third sons.I added Areo Hotah because he's an excellent bodyguard for House Martell (and since my Queen Consort would be Arianne Martell, I think I'd stand a chance of convincing him to leave Dorne);I added Brienne of Tarth since being Kingsguard is essentially her greatest ambition in life (ignoring the fact that she is heir to House Tarth); andI added Syrio Forell because I couldn't resist having one admittedly "wishful thinking" person on my list. I think that Brienne Tarth could work as she's already got the knightly stuff going and thus she would probably just need a vigil and she'd be ready to go. In regards to the others they would certainly make fine fighters but I wouldn't put any non-knights in my Kingsguard for reasons I think that I've mentioned.I put Thoros of Myr in my second take on a Kingsguard because I like the idea of having a "wizard" around to support the others, though I admit this is likely a "wishful thinking" addition as well since there would probably be some blowback from knighting a priest of R'hllor.I think that Brienne Tarth could work as she's already got the knightly stuff going and thus she would probably just need a vigil and she'd be ready to go. In regards to the others they would certainly make fine fighters but I wouldn't put any non-knights in my Kingsguard for reasons I think that I've mentioned. In regards to Thoros it might be a bit hard to get him knighted by the Faith but you don't know unless you've tried. :PI quite like Gurkhal's idea of expanding the Kingsguard to nine members and having each position be representative of a region of the realm, rather than maintaining the Faith's religious numerology of seven. Such a move would fit nicely with my own desire to move the High Septon out of King's Landing and back to Oldtown.Its nice to see some support for my idea to expand the Kingsguard even if I wasn't thinking about the number's connection with the Faith. Why you would want to move the High Septon away from King's Landing where he can be more easily monitored and summoned to provide ideological support for you is something that I don't really understand. I'd be more interested in getting the Citadell moved to the capital so that I can start to work on making the maesters more directly tied to the Iron Throne.That doesn't really make any sense. Why would anyone forsake a lordship they already hold for a life on the Kingsguard?I really would like to know this as well. And if the Greatjon is the lord of Last Heart, how is he going to manage his duties as a lord in the North and a bannerman to Winterfell while he spends all his days in the capital watching over the king? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychogobstopper Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I think that Brienne Tarth could work as she's already got the knightly stuff going and thus she would probably just need a vigil and she'd be ready to go. In regards to the others they would certainly make fine fighters but I wouldn't put any non-knights in my Kingsguard for reasons I think that I've mentioned. In regards to Thoros it might be a bit hard to get him knighted by the Faith but you don't know unless you've tried. :PI imagine if Forell and Hotah would actually agree to joining the Kingsguard that it would be fairly easy to get them knighted. You're certainly right that Thoros would be difficult, but, hey, having a "wizard" in the Kingsguard might be worth a bit of a struggle! If I felt the fight was going to be too difficult to not be ultimately worth it, I'd just have to find someone else (perhaps adopt the "hold a tourney" idea that a few other posters have suggested).On the possibility of unintentionally tarnishing the image of the Kingsguard in the eyes of the people: even with my "outside" choices, I attempted to name people who could easily and rightly be seen as honorable people. Thoros as a priest of R'hllor might be an exception in the eyes of many, since that religion seems to be mostly looked down upon in Westeros, but he would also come with his own heroic tale of "fighting for the peasants" in the midst of the chaos that had engulfed the realm.Why you would want to move the High Septon away from King's Landing where he can be more easily monitored and summoned to provide ideological support for you is something that I don't really understand.That's a fair point. I was approaching it more from a perspective of attempting to decrease any influence the High Septon may have on the king's court. Now that I think a bit more about it, perhaps such a move would backfire on me, though, since it could allow the Faith of the Seven's leadership to exist more as a separate power in the eyes of the realm.I really would like to know this as well. And if the Greatjon is the lord of Last Heart, how is he going to manage his duties as a lord in the North and a bannerman to Winterfell while he spends all his days in the capital watching over the king?I assume PrinceHenryris's answer would be that it could be handled in a similar manner as to any lord who sits on the small council (having a castellan or heir rule in one's place), but those people at least could occasionally travel home or even resign their positions if circumstances back home changed dramatically. A Kingsguard wouldn't have the same luxury by the very nature of their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moreland Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 King-Jon Snow/StarkQueen- Daenerys targayrenRuling together as the stargayern dynastyHand-littlefingerMaster of whispers-Tyrion lannisterCommander of the gold cloaks- Robb StarkMaster of laws-Eddard starkKings justice- stannisGrand master-Samwell TarlyMaster at Arms-Oberyn MartellMaster of Coin-Doran MartellWarden of the west- Tywin lannisterWarden of the east- Lyn CorbrayWarden of the south-Randyll TarlyWarden of the north- Roose BoltonLord commander of the kingsgaurd-The BlackfishJamie lannisterLoras tyrellStrong belwasBrienneBarristan selmyAreo HotahPerfect balance between the great houses and tyrion will be able to keep littlefinger in check and vice versa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rickard Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 So assuming we are following the original rules and the timeline is at the very beginning of GoT meaning that Jon Arryn is dead and Robert is king. One of the major concerns is making sure there is a high level of geographic representation. Also given that it is Robert as king there needs to be extra sops to Dorne. Hand Of The King: Stannis Baratheon Actually the perfect complement to his older brother. Stern, obedient, loyal. He is very attentive to detail. Additionally an excellent sop to Stannis given that he holds Dragonstone and not Storm's End. Like Ned Stark, Stannis is the right stern balance to Robert's joviality. (I understand the argument for Ned Stark, but truthfully he isn't politically astute enough and he simply doesn't want to be in the South; his loyalty is not a question.)Kingsguard:Lord Commander: Brynden Tully (Riverlands) A better leader than Barristan. A terrific knight and a lifestyle fit for the Kingsguard.---Barristan Selmy (Stormlands and Legacy) A no brainer for the Kingsguard, but should not be LC. Is a great member of the Kingsguard but not a great Lord Commander. First of all no political skills, but more importantly not a great leader. True he was given an atrocious Kingsguard to work with but he still led them quite poorly---Benjen Stark (The North) Talented as a ranger, definitely outside of the classic mold. Good to bring the North into the Kingsguard and he is also clearly ok with the lifestyle.---Gerold Dayne (Dorne) Dangerous, desperate to prove himself equal to his cousin. Important to have a Dornishman---Lyn Corbray (The Vale) Deadly knight, very proud and not a lord. Also has no interest in women.---Jaime Lannister (Westerlands) Probably should not be on the Kingsguard but given the fact that Cersei is Queen and ties to House Lannister are important, it would be an insult to remove him.---Loras Tyrell (The Reach) Talented Knight, very popular. Sexual orientation in this context makes him a logical White CloakALTERNATE: Bonifer Hasty (Stormlands) Religious, pious, and a famed knight. Fitting member of the Kingsguard (actually it's odd he was never named)Master of Laws: Kevan Lannister An honor to the Lannisters and he is actually quite bright and decent.Master of Whispers: Petyr Baelish He is quite talented at secrets and he would be 2nd best behind Varys. As for Varys, it is quite simple, he should be dead, executed after Robert took over. He was a creature of Aerys and should never have been allowed to stay as long as he did.Master of Coin: Leyton Hightower It would be an insult to push Tywin down to this rank. The Hightowers remind me of a Medici type family.Master of Ships: Asha Greyjoy A good way to continue to get Balon Greyjoy's loyalty. High honor at the same time and Asha is more willing to serve a greater good than Victarion. Given Hightower's presence, Redwyne is overkill and Davos while an excellent Captain is a smuggling captain, not a fighting captainKing's Justice: None Robert should do it himself. Hell, let him use the hammer and he'll probably enjoy it.Grand Maester: Maester Marwyn Kind of knows about everythingHigh Septon: The Elder BrotherMaster at Arms: Balon Swann Excellent knight. Can basically view the position as Kingsguard in training.LC of Night's Watch: Jeor MormontCaptain of the Gold Cloaks: Sandor Clegane Warden of the North: Ned StarkWarden of the East: Robert Arryn, fostered at Winterfell; acting Warden his castellan, Bronze Yohn Royce (if Blackfish weren't a Kingsguard then him)Warden of the West: Tywin LannisterWarden of the South: Doran Martell (Dorne is far more prickly against King Robert than Highgarden otherwise it should have been Mace Tyrell) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkhal Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 So assuming we are following the original rules and the timeline is at the very beginning of GoT meaning that Jon Arryn is dead and Robert is king. One of the major concerns is making sure there is a high level of geographic representation. Also given that it is Robert as king there needs to be extra sops to Dorne.Hand Of The King: Stannis Baratheon Actually the perfect complement to his older brother. Stern, obedient, loyal. He is very attentive to detail. Additionally an excellent sop to Stannis given that he holds Dragonstone and not Storm's End. Like Ned Stark, Stannis is the right stern balance to Robert's joviality. (I understand the argument for Ned Stark, but truthfully he isn't politically astute enough and he simply doesn't want to be in the South; his loyalty is not a question.)Kingsguard:Lord Commander: Brynden Tully (Riverlands) A better leader than Barristan. A terrific knight and a lifestyle fit for the Kingsguard.---Barristan Selmy (Stormlands and Legacy) A no brainer for the Kingsguard, but should not be LC. Is a great member of the Kingsguard but not a great Lord Commander. First of all no political skills, but more importantly not a great leader. True he was given an atrocious Kingsguard to work with but he still led them quite poorly---Benjen Stark (The North) Talented as a ranger, definitely outside of the classic mold. Good to bring the North into the Kingsguard and he is also clearly ok with the lifestyle.---Gerold Dayne (Dorne) Dangerous, desperate to prove himself equal to his cousin. Important to have a Dornishman---Lyn Corbray (The Vale) Deadly knight, very proud and not a lord. Also has no interest in women.---Jaime Lannister (Westerlands) Probably should not be on the Kingsguard but given the fact that Cersei is Queen and ties to House Lannister are important, it would be an insult to remove him.---Loras Tyrell (The Reach) Talented Knight, very popular. Sexual orientation in this context makes him a logical White CloakALTERNATE: Bonifer Hasty (Stormlands) Religious, pious, and a famed knight. Fitting member of the Kingsguard (actually it's odd he was never named)Master of Laws: Kevan Lannister An honor to the Lannisters and he is actually quite bright and decent.Master of Whispers: Petyr Baelish He is quite talented at secrets and he would be 2nd best behind Varys. As for Varys, it is quite simple, he should be dead, executed after Robert took over. He was a creature of Aerys and should never have been allowed to stay as long as he did.Master of Coin: Leyton Hightower It would be an insult to push Tywin down to this rank. The Hightowers remind me of a Medici type family.Master of Ships: Asha Greyjoy A good way to continue to get Balon Greyjoy's loyalty. High honor at the same time and Asha is more willing to serve a greater good than Victarion. Given Hightower's presence, Redwyne is overkill and Davos while an excellent Captain is a smuggling captain, not a fighting captainKing's Justice: None Robert should do it himself. Hell, let him use the hammer and he'll probably enjoy it.Grand Maester: Maester Marwyn Kind of knows about everythingHigh Septon: The Elder BrotherMaster at Arms: Balon Swann Excellent knight. Can basically view the position as Kingsguard in training.LC of Night's Watch: Jeor MormontCaptain of the Gold Cloaks: Sandor CleganeWarden of the North: Ned StarkWarden of the East: Robert Arryn, fostered at Winterfell; acting Warden his castellan, Bronze Yohn Royce (if Blackfish weren't a Kingsguard then him)Warden of the West: Tywin LannisterWarden of the South: Doran Martell (Dorne is far more prickly against King Robert than Highgarden otherwise it should have been Mace Tyrell)Looks like a solid set-up to me.So assuming we are following the original rules and the timeline is at the very beginning of GoT meaning that Jon Arryn is dead and Robert is king. One of the major concerns is making sure there is a high level of geographic representation. Also given that it is Robert as king there needs to be extra sops to Dorne.Hand Of The King: Stannis Baratheon Actually the perfect complement to his older brother. Stern, obedient, loyal. He is very attentive to detail. Additionally an excellent sop to Stannis given that he holds Dragonstone and not Storm's End. Like Ned Stark, Stannis is the right stern balance to Robert's joviality. (I understand the argument for Ned Stark, but truthfully he isn't politically astute enough and he simply doesn't want to be in the South; his loyalty is not a question.)Kingsguard:Lord Commander: Brynden Tully (Riverlands) A better leader than Barristan. A terrific knight and a lifestyle fit for the Kingsguard.---Barristan Selmy (Stormlands and Legacy) A no brainer for the Kingsguard, but should not be LC. Is a great member of the Kingsguard but not a great Lord Commander. First of all no political skills, but more importantly not a great leader. True he was given an atrocious Kingsguard to work with but he still led them quite poorly---Benjen Stark (The North) Talented as a ranger, definitely outside of the classic mold. Good to bring the North into the Kingsguard and he is also clearly ok with the lifestyle.---Gerold Dayne (Dorne) Dangerous, desperate to prove himself equal to his cousin. Important to have a Dornishman---Lyn Corbray (The Vale) Deadly knight, very proud and not a lord. Also has no interest in women.---Jaime Lannister (Westerlands) Probably should not be on the Kingsguard but given the fact that Cersei is Queen and ties to House Lannister are important, it would be an insult to remove him.---Loras Tyrell (The Reach) Talented Knight, very popular. Sexual orientation in this context makes him a logical White CloakALTERNATE: Bonifer Hasty (Stormlands) Religious, pious, and a famed knight. Fitting member of the Kingsguard (actually it's odd he was never named)Master of Laws: Kevan Lannister An honor to the Lannisters and he is actually quite bright and decent.Master of Whispers: Petyr Baelish He is quite talented at secrets and he would be 2nd best behind Varys. As for Varys, it is quite simple, he should be dead, executed after Robert took over. He was a creature of Aerys and should never have been allowed to stay as long as he did.Master of Coin: Leyton Hightower It would be an insult to push Tywin down to this rank. The Hightowers remind me of a Medici type family.Master of Ships: Asha Greyjoy A good way to continue to get Balon Greyjoy's loyalty. High honor at the same time and Asha is more willing to serve a greater good than Victarion. Given Hightower's presence, Redwyne is overkill and Davos while an excellent Captain is a smuggling captain, not a fighting captainKing's Justice: None Robert should do it himself. Hell, let him use the hammer and he'll probably enjoy it.Grand Maester: Maester Marwyn Kind of knows about everythingHigh Septon: The Elder BrotherMaster at Arms: Balon Swann Excellent knight. Can basically view the position as Kingsguard in training.LC of Night's Watch: Jeor MormontCaptain of the Gold Cloaks: Sandor CleganeWarden of the North: Ned StarkWarden of the East: Robert Arryn, fostered at Winterfell; acting Warden his castellan, Bronze Yohn Royce (if Blackfish weren't a Kingsguard then him)Warden of the West: Tywin LannisterWarden of the South: Doran Martell (Dorne is far more prickly against King Robert than Highgarden otherwise it should have been Mace Tyrell)Looks like a solid set up to me.On the possibility of unintentionally tarnishing the image of the Kingsguard in the eyes of the people: even with my "outside" choices, I attempted to name people who could easily and rightly be seen as honorable people. Thoros as a priest of R'hllor might be an exception in the eyes of many, since that religion seems to be mostly looked down upon in Westeros, but he would also come with his own heroic tale of "fighting for the peasants" in the midst of the chaos that had engulfed the realm.That's a good point I agree with even I myself probably wouldn't do it that way.I assume PrinceHenryris's answer would be that it could be handled in a similar manner as to any lord who sits on the small council (having a castellan or heir rule in one's place), but those people at least could occasionally travel home or even resign their positions if circumstances back home changed dramatically. A Kingsguard wouldn't have the same luxury by the very nature of their job.Exactly. While sitting on the Small Council or some such thing have its responsibilities there are no oaths like those demanded of the Kingsguard and thus a lord would probably be happier with that than taking the white. 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The Drunkard Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Hand:Stannis Baratheon.Kingsguard:- Brynden Tully (LC).- Mandon Moore.- Loras Tyrell.- Arys Oakheart.- Beric Dondarrion.- Thoros.- Brienne of Tarth.Master of Laws: Kevan Lannister.Master of Whispers: Qyburn.Master of Coin: Petyr Baelish.Master of Ships: Victarion Greyjoy.Grand Maestor: The Mage.High Septon: Khal Drogo.King's Justice: Ilyn Payne.Master-at-Arms: Lyn Corbray.LC-NW: Donal Noye.First Ranger: Benjen Stark.First Builder: Othell Yarwyck.First Steward: Dolorous Edd.Gold Cloak Leader: Jacelyn Bywater.Warden of the North: Ned Stark.Warden of the East: Bronze Yohn.Warden of the West: Tywin Lannister.Warden of the South: Oberyn Martell.I think the kingdom would be in good hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Backups stand as second choices.Hand- Stannis. He should be king and hand imo.Backup: Tywin LannisterMaster of Whispers- Varys (no one can do it better)Backup: Littlefinger (he has little birds of his own)Master of Coin- LittlefingerBackup: TyrionMaster of Laws- Kevan Lannister (smart like Tywin, yet less cold)Backup: Ned. He's just and honorableMaster of Ships- Davos SeaworthBackup: Asha Greyjoy (good with ships, yet not cruel like her uncles)Grand Maester- Maester LuwinBackup: Maester PylosKingsguardLord Commander- Barristan SelmyBrynden TullyGarlan TyrellBrienne of TarthLyn CorbrayJaime LannisterRandyll TarlyWarden of the North- Ned StarkBackup: Robb StarkWarden of the West- Tywin LannisterBackup: Tyrion or KevanWarden of the East- Bronze Yohn RoyceBackup: Harry the HeirWarden of the South- Willas TyrellBackup: Randyll Tarly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 King: The DukeHand of the King: Davos SeaworthMaster of Laws: Ned StarkMaster of Coin: Peter "Littlefinger" BaelishMaster of Ships: Stannis BaratheonMaster of Whispers: VarysGrand Maester: LuwinKingsguard:Lord Commander Barristan SelmyAreo HotahLoras TyrellJon SnowJaime LannisterBalon SwannJon ConningtonCaptain of the Gold Cloaks:Brenndyn "Blackfish" Tully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twookus Stark Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Hand: Tywin LannisterJustice: Ned StarkWhisperer: BloodravenShips: Stannis BaratheonCoin: Tyrion LannisterKingsguardLC Barristan SelmyOberyn MartellGarlan TyrellArthur DayneBrandon StarkAemon DragonknightRobert BaratheonThis Kingsguard would probably create as much life as it ended with Brandon, Robert, and Oberyn on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Hand of the KingDavos SeaworthKingsguardBarristan SelmyBrynden TullyBrienne of TarthAddam MarbrandBalon SwannGreatjon UmberAreo HotahSmall CouncilMaster of Laws: Stannis BaratheonMaster of Ships: Asha GreyjoyMaster of Coin: Baelish, the bastardMaster of Whispers: Tyrion LannisterGrand Maester: Samwell Tarly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Lady Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 HAND Tyrion Lannister.SMALL COUNCILMaster of Coin --> LittlefingerMaster of Ships --> Davos SeaworthyMaster of Laws --> Ned StarkMaster of Whisperers -- > VarysMaster of Arms -- >Stannis BaratheonGrand Maester --> Pycelle? KINGSGUARDSer Barristan SelmyJamie LannisterSandor CleganeSyrio ForelBrienne Of Tarth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Soprano Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Small Council ( I would try to add diversity to the Council, try to have representatives from every regionHand of the King: Lord Stannis Baratheon ( Loyal, obedient, honest and a good commander )Second choice: Ser Davos Seaworth ( Same qualities as Stannis )Master of Laws: Ser Kevan Lannister ( Best of the Lannister bunch, has a good knack for laws and politics and it would also be a good gesture to Tywin )Second choice: Lord Eddard Stark ( Loyal, just and honorable )Master of Coin: Petyr Baelish ( Smart, cunning, diplomatic and he's already proven himself )Second choice: Tyrion Lannister ( same qualities as LF )Master of Ships: Asha Greyjoy ( good captain, warrior and commands the loyalty of her men )Second choice: Lord Commander Victarion Greyjoy ( an excellent admiral, strategist and warrior )Master of Whisperers: None - Office abolished ( Not one of the Master of Whisperers has ever done any service to the Realm )Grand Maester: Maester LuwinKingsguardLord Commander: Ser Barristan SelmyOther members:Ser Brynden Tully ( a great and loyal warrior )Ser Arys Oakheart ( maybe not the best warrior, but a good knight )Ser Jaime Lannister ( it would be considered as an insult to Tywin if he's taken out )Ser Loras Tyrell ( a good knight, and it would also please The Reach )Areo Hotah ( An excellent warrior, has experience as a bodyguard, and it would be good diplomacy-wise to have a Norvoshi in the Kingsuard. I would have him knighted first though. )Oberyn Martell ( a very deadly warrior, very popular among the Dornishmen, so it would be good to have him in King's Landing )Commander of the Gold Cloaks: Sandor CleganeKing's Justice: Ser Gregor Clegane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyMeraxes Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Hand of the King: Marwyn the MageMaster of Laws: Stannis BaratheonMaster of Coin: Petyr BaelishMaster of Ships: Victarion GreyjoyMaster of Whispers: Tyene Sand/Tyrion LannisterGrand Maester: Maester AemonKingsguard:Areo HotahLoras TyrellSandor CleganeBrienne of TarthJorah MormontYorinJhogo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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