Jon Wolfwalker Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Stannis is big, tall, strong etc etc but being a commander he doesn't seem to have gotten much into combat. He has fought before, we know that, but it doesn't really matter getting an idea of how good he is.Big,tall, strong, etc etc.......Ducan will dunk the unworthy king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esa1996 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Pay attention to the skill, not the order the names are in. Feel free to send me suggestions to the list.10: Far above average9: Above average8: Slightly above average7: Average6: Slightly below average5: Below average4: Far below averageSkill: 10Aemon TargaryenArthur DayneBarristan SelmyDaemon BlackfyreGregor CleganeJaime LannisterSandor CleganeSkill: 9Aegor RiversAreo HotahGarlan TyrellGerold DayneGerold Hightower”Great” Jon UmberKhal DrogoLyn CorbrayMance RayderOberyn MartellOswell WhentQhorin HalfhandRhaegar TargaryenRobert Baratheon”Small” Jon UmberStrong BelwasSyrio ForelYohn RoyceSkill: 8Beric DondarrionBrandon StarkBrienne TarthBronn StokeworthBrynden TullyDagmer CleftjawJaremy RykkerLoras TyrellThoros of MyrVictarion GreyjoyYorenSkill: 7Benjen StarkBrynden RiversEddard StarkIron EmmettJon SnowJory CasselVardis Egen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Pay attention to the skill not the order. I didn't bother putting any below average characters on the list because most of them are never seen fighting. Also, you can comment it. There are names missing (As you can clearly see from skill level 7 "Average" there's only 6 people there, when half of Westeros knights should be there).10 Far above average9 Above average8 Slightly above average7 Average6 Slightly below average5 Below average4 Far below averageName: Skill:Aemon Targaryen 10Arthur Dayne 10Barristan Selmy 10Daemon Blackfyre 10Jaime Lannister 10Sandor Clegane 10Aegor Rivers 9Areo Hotah 9Garlan Tyrell 9Gerold Dayne 9Gerold Hightower 9”Great” Jon Umber 9John Royce 9Khal Drogo 9Lyn Corbray 9Mance Rayder 9Oberyn Martell 9Oswell Whent 9Qhorin Halfhand 9Rhaegar Targaryen 9Robert Baratheon 9”Small” Jon Umber 9Strong Belwas 9Syrio Forel 9Beric Dondarrion 8Brandon Stark 8Brienne Tarth 8Bronn Stokeworth 8Brynden Rivers 8Brynden Tully 8Jaremy Rykker 8Yoren 8Benjen Stark 7Eddard Stark 7Iron Emmett 7Jon Snow 7Jory Cassel 7Vardis Egen 7Well, logic would dicate that on a scale of 0-10, 5 should be average.One other thing that always gets me - I don't understand where Areo Hotah gets this massive reputation from. He is never mentioned as being better than this or that fighter, he is never mentioned as being one of the most dangerous men in Westeros.He is clearly good, but top 10 material - there is no evidence for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Wolfwalker Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Well, logic would dicate that on a scale of 0-10, 5 should be average.One other thing that always gets me - I don't understand where Areo Hotah gets this massive reputation from. He is never mentioned as being better than this or that fighter, he is never mentioned as being one of the most dangerous men in Westeros.He is clearly good, but top 10 material - there is no evidence for that.It's not rocket science...The man gets his own POV halfway through the series. He has no great revelations except how the "foes" fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.Kane Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 For the record Stannis is not even mentioned for his sword skill. Brienne would put him over her knee.I didn't mean that he is a skillful worrier.you said " when he admits he was a coward for killing his brother " and I responded : "keep dreaming" Renly was a traitor and a usurper and was going to kill Stannis , so he deserved to die , that was justice .btw , Stannis didn't kill Renly , Mel killed him . Stannis doesn't even know how he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Wolfwalker Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Oh that is naive....Stannis came all this way saying "I don't want to know how my brother died"?He knows all too well how his end came. Davos would have told him if for nothign else.... sheer honesty.I would still love a Brienne bringing him to justice scene!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esa1996 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Well, logic would dicate that on a scale of 0-10, 5 should be average.One other thing that always gets me - I don't understand where Areo Hotah gets this massive reputation from. He is never mentioned as being better than this or that fighter, he is never mentioned as being one of the most dangerous men in Westeros.He is clearly good, but top 10 material - there is no evidence for that.It's a scale from 4 to 10I don't really know but I feel like he's pretty good. Also notice, he's not in my top 10. Hes on "Skill level 9" so he's equal to or nearly so to everyone else on the same level (Meaning that he's somewhere between 7 and 24 in the best 24 fighters) Also, there are probably people I've forgotten to put on the list, and people who have never been mentioned, which might change the top of the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athanasius Pernath Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 i think that in ADWD, Jon is a better (maybe just 'slighty better') swordsman than Ned :) he seems quite talented. i'm sure a 25 years Jon Snow is a waaaaaay better than Ned at his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trident full of Dogs Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Shouldn't Syrio and Gerold Dayne be "far above average"=10?It was pretty clear the "dancing master scene" was meant to amaze us all. You can't write more amazing than that, IMHO.And Darkstar... "most dangerous man in Dorne'...also meant to alert readers he's a major BA.Not sure about Areo Hotah not making it ot 10, either. I feel GRRM giving him POV chapters mean he's not your average (or above average) fighter. He's supposed to strike fear! I alwalys think of the huge bodyguard that watched over the teen princess in the original Conan movie (with Arnold). And that guy scares me lolHere's the scary bodyguard i see as Areo Hotah looklike: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dorne Ultimatum Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Syrio Forel took out a score of Lannister guardsman with a wooden stick without even breaking a sweat. He made it look like a dance, not a duel. The First Sword of Braavos simply has to be in contention as the best swordsman in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pie Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Syrio is best technique wise. In a one on one battle against Jaime, or Sandor he may be outmatched however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.Kane Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I would still love a Brienne bringing him to justice scene!!good luck with that.by the way , Davos never told him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esa1996 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 i think that in ADWD, Jon is a better (maybe just 'slighty better') swordsman than Ned :) he seems quite talented. i'm sure a 25 years Jon Snow is a waaaaaay better than Ned at his best.I agree. At this point however I don't think Jon is good enough to be on level 8.Shouldn't Syrio and Gerold Dayne be "far above average"=10?It was pretty clear the "dancing master scene" was meant to amaze us all. You can't write more amazing than that, IMHO.And Darkstar... "most dangerous man in Dorne'...also meant to alert readers he's a major BA.Not sure about Areo Hotah not making it ot 10, either. I feel GRRM giving him POV chapters mean he's not your average (or above average) fighter. He's supposed to strike fear! I alwalys think of the huge bodyguard that watched over the teen princess in the original Conan movie (with Arnold). And that guy scares me lolHere's the scary bodyguard i see as Areo Hotah looklike: Syrio would be but he doesn't wear any armor, so he's a "one hit kill" person. (Minimal WOW hint of what happens) Darkstar wouldn't be where he is if I hadn't read the new TWOW chapter.Syrio Forel took out a score of Lannister guardsman with a wooden stick without even breaking a sweat. He made it look like a dance, not a duel. The First Sword of Braavos simply has to be in contention as the best swordsman in the series.Syrio would be but he doesn't wear any armor, so he's a "one hit kill" person.Syrio is best technique wise. In a one on one battle against Jaime, or Sandor he may be outmatched however Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDDUnit Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 1) Two-handed Jaime2) Khal Drogo, may he roam the Night Lands forever3) Sandor Clegaine, buzzed4) Garlan Tyrell, especially in Renley's armor5) Loras Tyrell6) Bronn of the Blackwater7) Qhorin Halfhand8) Gregor Clegane9) Thoros of Myr, winner of countless melees and the beast of the Pyke storming10) Barriston Selmy, he is quite oldHonorable Mentions: Darkstar (havent seen him fight), Lyn Corbray (the greatest fighter in the Vale even better than Bronze Yohn), Areo Hotah and his sexy wife, the Greatjohn (even a badass when piss faced drunk), and Qarl the Maid (the greatest fighter in the Iron Islands), and Strong Belwas and his sexy body, the soon to be dead by long axe Balonn Swann, and Mandyn Moore against anyone other than Pod.Why Victarion Grayjoy should not be on this list.... See Qarl the Maid....Why Ser Jorah Mohrmont should not be on this list.... He barely survives a Dothraki Ko and wins by luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDDUnit Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Well, logic would dicate that on a scale of 0-10, 5 should be average.One other thing that always gets me - I don't understand where Areo Hotah gets this massive reputation from. He is never mentioned as being better than this or that fighter, he is never mentioned as being one of the most dangerous men in Westeros.He is clearly good, but top 10 material - there is no evidence for that.Hotah gets his rep from his POV where he knows he can easily beat the KG members and from Arianne's sample POV where she even remarks on how skilled Hotah is. That guys list sucked though. Berrick an 8..... Thoros should be the 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athanasius Pernath Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 and Qarl the Maid (the greatest fighter in the Iron Islands)Andrik the Unsmiling is considered the best warrior in the Iron Island :) (surely he's the one with the funniest nickname) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealbando Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Syrio is best technique wise. In a one on one battle against Jaime, or Sandor he may be outmatched howeverAgree. Also Syrio I think is trained with a lighter sword that wouldn`t do much damage against an armored Sandor Clegane for example. But Syrio I think has the best pure technique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esa1996 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Hotah gets his rep from his POV where he knows he can easily beat the KG members and from Arianne's sample POV where she even remarks on how skilled Hotah is. That guys list sucked though. Berrick an 8..... Thoros should be the 8.What should I change? I've spent a lot of time thinking on were people should go on the list, and I've also tried searching the internet for other people's opinions on some people, and wiki on people I can't remember too well (Daemon Blackfyre for example) I've tried making it as accurate as possible. I agree Thoros would be an 8 I just haven't included him in the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harald Hard-Ruler Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't agree with putting certain characters in the top 10 and heres why.Jon Snow: Lost to ManceBrienne :"beat" Jaime when he was tired and malnurished. Later lost to biter.Sandor: weakness to fireGregor: no actual skill, just phenomenal strength, Gerold Hightower was extremely strong, he was called "the white Bull" but he didn't rely on his strength alone, he was also exceptionally skilled.Despite these reasons, these 4 characters have made it onto many of the lists posted in this thread. Meanwhile truly skilled warriors like Yohn Royce aka "Bronze Yohn" has only been listed once or twice. Cmon guys you can do better. :PI wouldn't say Brienne lost to Biter in a swordfight. He surprised her from behind (or the side) when she was distracted. Saying she lost to him is like saying Biter lost to Gendry in a fight.Honestly I think fans place too much emphasis on fighting ability. So far in the books it's pretty clear that while skill is important, equipment, luck and circumstance are also important. People on this thread constantly credit Sandor for beating Dondarrion when hungover and while terrified of fire, but if Beric's sword hadn't broken the Hound probably wouldn't have won. People also give Areo Hotah lots of props for beating Arys Oakheart but Oakheart was already hit by arrows and his horse had just collapsed under him when Areo took off his head. Even Victarion almost lost in his fight against Ser Serry, and it wasn't skill but sheer strength which allowed him to win. If Serry had been wielding Valyrian Steel it's possible that Victarion would not have been able to grab the blade and the fight might've gone down differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDDUnit Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 What should I change? I've spent a lot of time thinking on were people should go on the list, and I've also tried searching the internet for other people's opinions on some people, and wiki on people I can't remember too well (Daemon Blackfyre for example) I've tried making it as accurate as possible. I agree Thoros would be an 8 I just haven't included him in the list.For one, you don't even have Gregor on the list. Gregor killed Dondarrian the first time like he was nothing. Berric shows no real prowess at fighting other than dueling a very hungover Sandor while having undead powers. You left off all knights of the vale other than Bronze Yon, who is no longer even the greatest fighter of that territory. No Iron Islanders. Jory and Jon are very overrated. Brynden Rivers was an archer who was mediocre at best at swordplay. Daemon Blackfyre was more of a guess b/c they never really state his skills. Yoren, Jon, and Jory should not even be on the list. You also somehow forgot Loras Tyrell who should be a 9 or 8 at the least. Gerold Dayne is supposed to be a better fighter that Oberyn but you have Oberyn way up top with no mention of Daemon Sand either. I think you just tried to do too much without looking back over the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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