justsomebastard Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 If Authur Dayne is dead, howland reed didnt kill him. authur dayne was the most skilled knight in westeros, he earned that reputation by defeating all comers so Ned's seven would have been no threat. and he had hightower and another KG so he's over Ned about to strike and howland stops him. How? he cannot defeat roberts army when they come. so Reed tells him they came to protect the child. something that Dayne cannot do for long. i think he let them kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summer is Ending Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Nope. Ser Arthur Dayne died defending his king. Only it wasn't at the tower of joy but beyond the Wall.That's right. Qhorin Halfhand was the Sword of the Morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayne of Starfall Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Dayne is dead, to be certain... though honestly the 'twin' theory was an interesting one.Would certainly have been an unexpected twist that Dayne, Stark, and Reed parlayed in the end... Dayne gave Eddard his sword, with the intent to leave the rest of Westeros believing that he had died that day at the Tower of Joy, while he went East with Aegon to protect the firstborn son (if only by minutes), and Stark went North with Jon... only after breaking the heart of the woman he had loved by telling her a lie that would haunt him for the rest of his life. The lie of Lyanna, the lie of Dayne... the lie of Aegon and Jon. The lie to his best friend and King. The lie to his wife who he had dishonored in keeping it.A theory not supported by any evidence at all... but interesting to mull over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Jackson Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I hope he is alive. The lack of concrete evidence of his death is all I need to believe. I also don't think it is impossible for Dayne to for dishonor his vows for the greater good of Jon(son of R+L) to survive and actually be protected as Neds bastard born. I do kind of like the half hand post though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair's Pantaloons Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 GRRM doesn't do 'fake deaths' if you hadn't noticed. These "Tywin is alive," "Aegon is alive," "Aemon is alive," "Robert is alive," threads are completely against the spirit and tone of the books and not supported by anything that's been written so far. Except he kinda does because Gregor, Sandor, Catlyn, and Mance Rayder were all supposedly "dead" but revived in their own ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadside Rose Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 maybe Camaris is the equivalent of Rhaegar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 SER ARTHUR DAYNE THE SWORD OF THE MORNING IS ALIVE! :commie: C'MON PEOPLE! :commie: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 SER ARTHUR DAYNE THE SWORD OF THE MORNING IS ALIVE! :commie: C'MON PEOPLE! :commie: Don't you think that it would cheapen the character and his storyline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Don't you think that it would cheapen the character and his storyline?NO CUZ HE IS SILENTLY WATCHING OVER JON MAKING HIM AWESOME CUZ HE SACRIFICED HIS WHOLE LIFE TO PROTECT JON! CUZ HE IS AWESOME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 NO CUZ HE IS SILENTLY WATCHING OVER JON MAKING HIM AWESOME CUZ HE SACRIFICED HIS WHOLE LIFE TO PROTECT JON! CUZ HE IS AWESOME! That's got to be really really silent and from very very afar. :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice and fire freak Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 How did Lyanna die?Embarrassing question I know considering I've read the books twice,my minds gone blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbon Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 How did Lyanna die?Embarrassing question I know considering I've read the books twice,my minds gone blank. Most likely from puerperal fever, which kills up to 10 days after birth and was a very common cause of death before proper hygiene. She was in a "bloody bed" (a synonym for the child birth process, but not necessarily in a bed covered in blood and not necessarily iemmediately have given birth) , was weak and had a fever and the room smelt of blood (and roses). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Snow Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Ned gave them an opportunity to go to Viserys, he told them he was at Dragonstone but they didn't take him up on it. He offered them to bend the knee and they again said no. I don't believe Ned and Howland Reed managed to kill Ser Arthur Dayne so I believe he's alive but I don't know where Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 The problem is that Ned in his own thoughts notes that, "They had been seven against three, yet only two had lived to ride away." There's no real way around it -- only he and Howland survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kephv Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Most likely he meant two of the seven. It says nothing about the three KG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Right before that line he mentions the eight cairns he raised afterward, so no, he's talking about how many survived the encounter... or rather, how many didn't (eight). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kephv Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 That doesn't necessarily mean it follows that he was talking about all of them, even if that's how most people read it. It's more likely he wasn't though, as he's makes a clear distinction between the two groups throughout the dream: "They were seven, facing three." The line simply qualifies that his larger force was nearly destroyed by the smaller, which worries Ned in his present situation. Anyway, many lines can been interpreted in more than one way, and I don't see how this is any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 It takes a very tendentious reading to go from eight cairns and only 2 of 10 survived to "Nah, some of those are alive as well." One might as well suppose Dayne is dead, and the White Bull is alive. Or maybe it's Oswell Whent? It's not as if Ned hated those men. It's a tragedy that they all fought, and eight men died. It's weird and not very Ned-like to have Ned's bitterness be solely about his buddies, and not these noble Kingsguard whom he respected and admired dying in the fulfillment of their vows, but that's what you're requiring with that reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modesty Lannister Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Arthur Dayne is alive and he never stops talking about his sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modesty Lannister Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 The problem is that Ned in his own thoughts notes that, "They had been seven against three, yet only two had lived to ride away."There's no real way around it -- only he and Howland survived.The whole Tower of Joy scene is a paradox. It was deliberately written that way. There is a way around it, but that takes us into the realm of deleted threads. And what does "live to ride away" mean? Why doesn't it say "lived"? Every word in that scene is carefully crafted. It is just genius. I just wonder why do some administrators write off certain notions as if they had read all seven books, while embracing endless fanfic about what if this and what if that. ToJ is a solvable puzzle. It's all in the text. However, when that is being seriously discussed, threads disappear. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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