Tormund Ukrainesbane Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Just out of curiousity, how would you describe terrorism itself? How about those terrorists who deliberately target civilians to maximize casualties, and to impose their religious views and dogma on other people, whether heretics, infidels, or apostates?As you describe it, evil. Anonymous has taken down Visa now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempra Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 According to PayPal, the accounts were frozen due to a letter from the US State Department. MasterCard, Visa and PayPal all have to adhere to US jurisdiction.The State Department did NOT send a letter to Paypal. The letter in question was sent to Assange.http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/08/paypal_state_dept_wikileaks/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raidne Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the powers that be are ginning up the charges against Assange to get rid of him?Duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmail Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 The US is. Do you think Manning (or whoever leaked these documents) is going to get off scot-free? I've seen that he might get as much as fifty years in a military prison. May as well execute him, to be honest, because military prisons are something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxelF Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'm going to jump in here and add one of the recently released cables:http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/dec/08/wikileaks-cables-shell-nigeria-spyingThe oil giant Shell claimed it had inserted staff into all the main ministries of the Nigerian government, giving it access to politicians' every move in the oil-rich Niger Delta, according to a leaked US diplomatic cable.The company's top executive in Nigeria told US diplomats that Shell had seconded employees to every relevant department and so knew "everything that was being done in those ministries". She boasted that the Nigerian government had "forgotten" about the extent of Shell's infiltration and was unaware of how much the company knew about its deliberations.Cables from Nigeria show how Ann Pickard, then Shell's vice-president for sub-Saharan Africa, sought to share intelligence with the US government on militant activity and business competition in the contested Niger Delta – and how, with some prescience, she seemed reluctant to open up because of a suspicion the US government was "leaky".But that did not prevent Pickard disclosing the company's reach into the Nigerian government when she met US ambassador Robin Renee Sanders, as recorded in a confidential memo from the US embassy in Abuja on 20 October 2009.At the meeting, Pickard related how the company had obtained a letter showing that the Nigerian government had invited bids for oil concessions from China. She said the minister of state for petroleum resources, Odein Ajumogobia, had denied the letter had been sent but Shell knew similar correspondence had taken place with China and Russia.The ambassador reported: "She said the GON [government of Nigeria] had forgotten that Shell had seconded people to all the relevant ministries and that Shell consequently had access to everything that was being done in those ministries."Nigeria is Africa's leading oil producer and the eighth biggest exporter in the world, accounting for 8% of US oil imports. Although a recent UN report largely exonerated the company, critics accuse Shell, the biggest operator in the delta, and other companies, of causing widespread pollution and environmental damage in the region. Militant groups engaged in hostage-taking and sabotage have proliferated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormund Ukrainesbane Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 This might have something to do with why the US Government (and others) are trying to get Assange so bad.WikiLeaks' next assault on Washington may highlight U.S. government reports on suspected militants held at Guantanamo Bay, which some U.S. officials worry could show certain detainees were freed despite intelligence assessments they were still dangerous."He's got the personal files of every prisoner in GITMO," said one person who was in contact with Assange earlier this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iceman of the North Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 The State Department did NOT send a letter to Paypal. The letter in question was sent to Assange.http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/08/paypal_state_dept_wikileaks/Yeah, that article did not put PayPal in a good light, but they still made their decision based on some rather flimsy arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagathai Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Here's the thing. In general I'm against putting the lives of US intelligence assets at risk, so I have trouble endorsing what Wikileaks did. On the other hand, if our governments are going to keep stuff like http://goo.gl/Qhl4M from us (I started a separate thread to talk about that incident specifically, because I think it deserves it), and Wikileaks is the only way to find out about it... I have trouble with unilaterally condemning it.Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and this needs a lot of disinfecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormund Ukrainesbane Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 New cable shows the US conspired with China to sink the Copenhagen climate summit. But of course, it's traitorous and deserving of execution for anyone to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Walker Texas Ranger Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Maybe the government seemed so intent on shutting down Wikileaks not because of what they released, but what they hadn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former Lord of Winterfell Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 New cable shows the US conspired with China to sink the Copenhagen climate summit. But of course, it's traitorous and deserving of execution for anyone to know.I'm glad this came out, but that's purely for partisan/philosophical reasons because I think this will make it much tougher to get a climate agreement in the future. In the bigger picture, this is just one aspect of such leaks making it more difficult to countries to negotiate treaties or agreements of any kind.And having engaged in lots of negotiations professionally, I can say categorically that a lot of settlements/agreements would never have happened if all the negotiations/strategy sessions were made public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sariel Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 AAAAAAH! Fucking mastercard. Here I am, happy and drunk walking home from the club when I suddenly realise I'm hungry. I stop by the nearest kebab-shob to buy food, but my mastercard is not responding. Now, I never carry cash but because mastercard suddenly decided that they're going to become political I have to start doing that again. Certainly, I could blame anonymous for all of this, but my fucking payment service should not decide for me what political stand I'm willing to take. So, fuck mastercard!Again, appologies for being drunnk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookWyrm Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Hmm be careful what you say! According to the bottom of this page there's "1 anonymous users" reading this topic as I type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 AAAAAAH! Fucking mastercard. Here I am, happy and drunk walking home from the club when I suddenly realise I'm hungry. I stop by the nearest kebab-shob to buy food, but my mastercard is not responding. Now, I never carry cash but because mastercard suddenly decided that they're going to become political I have to start doing that again. Certainly, I could blame anonymous for all of this, but my fucking payment service should not decide for me what political stand I'm willing to take. So, fuck mastercard!Again, appologies for being drunnk.I'm missing the connection between your mastercard not working and wikileaks, but I haven't been following it that close. What's the story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosciuszko Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I'm missing the connection between your mastercard not working and wikileaks, but I haven't been following it that close. What's the story?Here you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantabile Posted December 10, 2010 Author Share Posted December 10, 2010 4chan only shut down their webpage, though. Transactions shouldn't be affected in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sariel Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I've used my mastercard for just over 10 years. Never have I experienced their servers being down. A little too much of a coincidence in my opinion. also.. bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Here's the thing. In general I'm against putting the lives of US intelligence assets at risk, so I have trouble endorsing what Wikileaks did. On the other hand, if our governments are going to keep stuff like http://goo.gl/Qhl4M from us (I started a separate thread to talk about that incident specifically, because I think it deserves it), and Wikileaks is the only way to find out about it... I have trouble with unilaterally condemning it.Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and this needs a lot of disinfecting.I agree. I don't agree with them releasing some fo the stuff they have, but they have released alot of stuff that damn well should be public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Slightly different take on the content of the leaks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artas Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Heh, Putin thinks Assange's arrest is "undemocratic". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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