Strip Clubs

[Tinydigit]

I have been to a few strip clubs in my lifetime (never my choice as a venue for entertainment), everything from a place where you give the girl a dollar at the tip bar and she makes change to clubs frequented by NBA stars and employing former Playmates. I have never paid a dime to walk through the door, for a drink, at the tip bar, or for “services.” The douchebags that wanted to make this our Friday night were paying my way – because I cannot understand the allure of these places. Guys that blow more than $10 a night at a strip club must hate money… and themselves.

I have a few friends that, in the past, had an obsession with strip clubs. One friend would spend over $600 a weekend at a strip club, and not during the prime hours when the semi-cute ones work, but during the early afternoon when the old timers and the ones with the lop-sided boob job they are working to pay to have fixed are on stage. He had deluded himself into believing that the dancers and bar girls genuinely liked him for who he is. The only time I have ever seen deader eyes above a smile are when I come home from work and kiss my wife.

Not that my experiences have been entirely unpleasant, I have actually enjoyed being at a strip club exactly two times:

The first time was when the friend who spends a rent payment on middle-aged strippers decided he would treat us all to a night at his favorite club, which is owned by Magic Johnson’s brother. Magic happened to be there that night and we chatted for a few minutes early in the evening. I lied and told him that I had seen him play in Detroit as a kid and that he signed a copy of his rookie card for me. Magic asked what that was worth these days (glad it wasn’t OJ, he might have tried to steal it). I told him about what it costs to get into the VIP room. He laughed and told his brother we were getting a night in the VIP room on him. That was… possibly worth some money, but not $250 per person for four hours, even if the ensemble included two Playmates, a former Miss Michigan, and the Barely Legal girl of the year.

The second time is when I was in college. Whenever a fraternity pledge or brother would turn 19, we would hop the border to Canada, put 19 shots into them in the span of about two hours, and then take them to the seediest strip club in the Canadian side of Sault Ste. Marie. One girl there had a real talent – she could take a dollar bill out of a man’s mouth without using her hands. Naturally we signed the birthday boy up for that little treat. She bent down to work her magic and her high heels caused her to slip. Cue us in the ER of the hospital at 2:35 in the morning with him helpfully notifying the staff and other patients in the waiting room about how the dancer had “Broke my noth with her cooth!”

Anyone else not care for strip clubs? Like them and want to try and explain the attraction? What about women? Why do you seem to enjoy yourselves at a strip club besides the extra attention? How do you feel about your men spending money there? Are strip clubs where men dance as unsavory?

Or does anyone just have any good stories to share?

Disclaimer: this is not a judgment on the people who work at strip clubs in any way. I am trying to understand the motivation for going there, not commenting on your choice of employment. Clearly you are providing a supply that is in high demand.

[Exa Inova]

I have been to a few strip clubs in my lifetime (never my choice as a venue for entertainment), I am trying to understand the motivation for going there

trimmed it down for ya.

Why not ask your buddies? they seems to frequent such venues with you in tow.

If that fails, use your imagination. :blink:

[Chanur]

Strip clubs are not fun or exciting.

[Prince of the North]

Yeah, I really don't understand the allure of strip clubs. I consider them to be - "meh". Also, I've certainly never been to many strip clubs but the ones I've been to in Canada were much more "interesting" than the ones I've seen in the US.

[awesome possum]

I am trying to understand the motivation for going there

No, you're trying to sound morally superior. Good job.

[Tinydigit]

Thankfully none of those in tow experiences have happened for over 8 years. I have tried to talk to them about it. The one friend mentioned above still maintains they are his friend… you know, the kind that won’t hang out with him outside of the club or are only friendly when is pulling twenties out of his wallet. But the poor boy is beyond convincing. He says his live-in girlfriend of five years likes to go with him every now and then and really gets into it.

For me it feels like men have been brainwashed to believe they should enjoy being in a strip club. It is just like binge drinking for the first time – it’s a rite of passage rooted in rebellion and even though you feel dirty afterwards, you do it again because you are supposed to like it despite the hangover, empty wallet, the stale smell of sweat and perfume and quite possibly some glitter on your face and clothes. Why did we as fathers, as the creators of perceptions of approved gender behavior, do this to ourselves and our sons?

I’d also like to hear what women think about going to strip clubs with male dancers. My wife has never been to one and none of our mutual female friends will admit to it either. Are they inherently more tasteful than their counterpart or is it pretty much the same scene of desperate rebellion inside?

[kungtotte]

One of my guiding principles in life is that boners should only be shared with people who are interested in doing something intimate and hopefully indecent with them.

[Tinydigit]

No, you're trying to sound morally superior. Good job.

Thanks.

A more helpful response would have been an explanation as to why you feel that a moral judgment on men who go to strip clubs, if I had actually done so, would be an inappropriate one. It’s not like I am picketing them or trying to shut them down. I am trying to get insight into the reasons why men or women who frequent the clubs enjoy them. Do you have any personal experiences that might elucidate an approval of them or are you just going to sulk? If you have spent considerable amounts of time and money at a strip club, what keeps bringing you back? Is the truth too hard to face?

[Tinydigit]

One of my guiding principles in life is that boners should only be shared with people who are interested in doing something intimate and hopefully indecent with them.

Amen brother.

[awesome possum]

For me it feels like men have been brainwashed to believe they should enjoy being in a strip club.

Yes, men have been brainwashed into believing they should enjoy being in a room full of naked, often beautiful women.

[Arlingzen Bill]

Yes, men have been brainwashed into believing they should enjoy being in a room full of naked, often beautiful women.

No, men have been forced into those rooms by a society that has outlawed the de jure sale of sex.

[Tinydigit]

An exotic dancer’s perspective on the clientele and atmosphere would be fantastic. Any of those frequenting this message board? Did you make friends with your customers through your line of work? Were you sometimes pretending to like them for more money? What successful strategies did you use to keep the money tap flowing?

[awesome possum]

Thanks.

A more helpful response would have been an explanation as to why you feel that a moral judgment on men who go to strip clubs, if I had actually done so, would be an inappropriate one. It’s not like I am picketing them or trying to shut them down. I am trying to get insight into the reasons why men or women who frequent the clubs enjoy them. Do you have any personal experiences that might elucidate an approval of them or are you just going to sulk? If you have spent considerable amounts of time and money at a strip club, what keeps bringing you back? Is the truth too hard to face?

Your posts drip with moral superiority. "I went to a strip club and I didn't like it because I'm such a good person. I only go when my friends pay for me because I'm so great!"

Get over yourself.

I've been to a strip club maybe ten times in the last ten years. Some of them were awesome fun times, other times were okay, and at least one time was depressing because the strippers looked like strung-out junkies.

The time you have depends on the group of people you go out with and why you're going out. One of the best times I've had was during a bachelor party where the goal was to just get drunk and have fun celebrating a friend's impending doom, er, I mean marriage. Another great time was spent with my wife, but my wife is awesome like that.

One of the worst times was with a group of guys, several of whom were more caught up in "getting some" than having a good time. As a result, the entire night revolved around them finding a bar where they could hook up with some slut- to which they were unsuccessful. The end of the night saw us at a strip club with the two guys sulking because this was the closest they were going to get.

Why go to a strip club? Why not? Why go out to eat at a restaurant where they serve meat? You know the animals that are being eaten all around you lived miserably and died horribly. Why go to the theater to watch a movie? You know the actress with the three lines in the second act probably had to suck a dick just to get that part and that there's a chance that emotionally scarred her and sent her on a path of drugs and prostitution. Why go to the store to shop for clothes or groceries? Chances are the clothes or the food packaging was made by someone working for less than a dollar an hour in horrid conditions. Hell, maybe someone even died making that nice blazer you want to buy.

Anything can be down or depressing or worthless when you think about it.

Why go to a strip club? Because I enjoy having a drink while perusing the (sometimes) natural work of art that is the female body. I haven't been in probably four years, but I'm sure I'll find myself in one some day and I'll try to get any enjoyment out of it that I can. That's just the type of guy I am, though. I try to enjoy recreational activities and if I have to force myself to drink alcohol and look at naked women, by golly, I'll do it!

[Tinydigit]

Your posts drip with moral superiority. "I went to a strip club and I didn't like it because I'm such a good person. I only go when my friends pay for me because I'm so great!"

Get over yourself.

I've been to a strip club maybe ten times in the last ten years. Some of them were awesome fun times, other times were okay, and at least one time was depressing because the strippers looked like strung-out junkies.

The time you have depends on the group of people you go out with and why you're going out. One of the best times I've had was during a bachelor party where the goal was to just get drunk and have fun celebrating a friend's impending doom, er, I mean marriage. Another great time was spent with my wife, but my wife is awesome like that.

One of the worst times was with a group of guys, several of whom were more caught up in "getting some" than having a good time. As a result, the entire night revolved around them finding a bar where they could hook up with some slut- to which they were unsuccessful. The end of the night saw us at a strip club with the two guys sulking because this was the closest they were going to get.

Why go to a strip club? Why not? Why go out to eat at a restaurant where they serve meat? You know the animals that are being eaten all around you lived miserably and died horribly. Why go to the theater to watch a movie? You know the actress with the three lines in the second act probably had to suck a dick just to get that part and that there's a chance that emotionally scarred her and sent her on a path of drugs and prostitution. Why go to the store to shop for clothes or groceries? Chances are the clothes or the food packaging was made by someone working for less than a dollar an hour in horrid conditions. Hell, maybe someone even died making that nice blazer you want to buy.

Anything can be down or depressing or worthless when you think about it.

Why go to a strip club? Because I enjoy having a drink while perusing the (sometimes) natural work of art that is the female body. I haven't been in probably four years, but I'm sure I'll find myself in one some day and I'll try to get any enjoyment out of it that I can. That's just the type of guy I am, though. I try to enjoy recreational activities and if I have to force myself to drink alcohol and look at naked women, by golly, I'll do it!

Great post. Exactly what I was hoping to hear – some rationale on the sensationalizing of strip clubs. It still doesn’t make a lot of sense to me unless I think of it in the realm of fantasy though… like porno. I’d love to think there’s a snowball’s chance in hell that if my wife and I came home early and found the nanny masturbating on our bed, my wife’s reaction would be a demand that I screw the nanny while she provides a generous assist.

I have to admit, I’ve never been able to get over myself. Or think that the actress with three lines in a movie having to suck dick to get time in front of the camera. You have opened my eyes to the reality that if I really want to show my appreciation for women, I should go to a strip club rather than the movies.

[Quoth]

This thread seriously needs some back round music. *nods* That's what's missing. A driving incessant beat.

[Chaldanya]

As a result, the entire night revolved around them finding a bar where they could hook up with some slut- to which they were unsuccessful.

some slut? really? just cause she wanted sex? odd turn of phrase. (where odd means insulting and hypocritical)

I have never been to a strip club with either male or female dancers. I am too well aware of the exploitation that often goes hand in hand with someone needing to strip for a living.

N

[awesome possum]

Great post. Exactly what I was hoping to hear – some rationale on the sensationalizing of strip clubs. It still doesn’t make a lot of sense to me unless I think of it in the realm of fantasy though… like porno. I’d love to think there’s a snowball’s chance in hell that if my wife and I came home early and found the nanny masturbating on our bed, my wife’s reaction would be a demand that I screw the nanny while she provides a generous assist.

I have to admit, I’ve never been able to get over myself. Or think that the actress with three lines in a movie having to suck dick to get time in front of the camera. You have opened my eyes to the reality that if I really want to show my appreciation for women, I should go to a strip club rather than the movies.

Sense, my friend. Make it.

[awesome possum]

some slut? really? just cause she wanted sex? odd turn of phrase. (where odd means insulting and hypocritical)

Not really. These guys weren't looking for a girlfriend. They weren't looking for a nice girl, even a drunk nice girl. They were out looking for someone who would go home with them, then never speak with them again. Or, preferably, someone who could skip the whole going home part and fuck them in the bathroom or alley. The guys were sluts looking for their female equivalents. They didn't find them, that night at least.

[Chaldanya]

Except you didn't also say your friends were sluts (which by the way is still a female-coded word) you just mentioned the women they were hoping to pick up. I'm still also not seeing the problem with people hooking up for some meaningless sex.

It's interesting to me that you are accusing TinyDigit of being judgemental about strip clubs and then turn around and judge women for engaging in casual sex in the same post.

And with that I'm out of this thread. All of my years on the board has taught me the kinds of threads that have a better than usual chance of ending up in extreme misogyny/sexism and this is one of those subjects.

N

[awesome possum]

Except you didn't also say your friends were sluts (which by the way is still a female-coded word) you just mentioned the women they were hoping to pick up. I'm still also not seeing the problem with people hooking up for some meaningless sex.

It's interesting to me that you are accusing TinyDigit of being judgemental about strip clubs and then turn around and judge women for engaging in casual sex in the same post.

And with that I'm out of this thread. All of my years on the board has taught me the kinds of threads that have a better than usual chance of ending up in extreme misogyny/sexism and this is one of those subjects.

It's cool. Judging and running is a lot more fun than actually participating in a conversation.