Strip Clubs

[Tinydigit]

Sense, my friend. Make it.

I postulated that many men like strip clubs because they are a form of escapist fantasy. Like porno. Does that make sense to you? It makes sense to me.

I am asking why, if men who choose that avenue for their escapist fantasy take a minute to think about what it is that is actually being peddled there (false companionship and sexual frustration), they still find it enjoyable and worth their time and money.

[kungtotte]

This thread seriously needs some back round music. *nods* That's what's missing. A driving incessant beat.

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[awesome possum]

I postulated that many men like strip clubs because they are a form of escapist fantasy. Like porno. Does that make sense to you? It makes sense to me.

I am asking why, if men who choose that avenue for their escapist fantasy take a minute to think about what it is that is actually being peddled there (false companionship and sexual frustration), they still find it enjoyable and worth their time and money.

That makes some kind of sense, if that's what some men take out of it. Other men might take out of it an enjoyment of breasts in all their bare-chested glory. Asking for a concrete reason why all people go to strip clubs is pointless, as each person might have a different reason. Of course, all of those reasons still likely come down to one thing: boobies.

What doesn't make sense is this:

You have opened my eyes to the reality that if I really want to show my appreciation for women, I should go to a strip club rather than the movies.

Either your sarcasm failed or you completely missed the point.

[Guest Raids]

This thread reads like an angry circle jerk.

[Blaine]

Strip clubs are what they are. The same DJ, the same mix of sad dudes by themselves and the women who refer to them as "regulars."

But every now and again, with the right level of alcohol and friends, you can walk in, have a blast, look at boobs and then move on, having had a decent time.

So basically, I'm saying, "sure strip clubs are kind of dumb proposition, but sometimes dumb entertainment is the best kind." Just like a casino or a dive bar, there are occasions where they make total sense.

[Cot]

Different strokes for different folks.

I for one find absolutely nothing wrong with getting smashed on champagne and whisky while staring at lovely naked ladies.

There are worse things in life to get worked up about.

Get over yourself.

Clearly all things in moderation, I go perhaps a couple of times a year for some reason or another, stag do, 30th/40th/20th birthdays, and its a good time for all. Take it for what it is. Clearly if you're in there every weekend some (not I, as I don't judge) might find you're overdoing it.

Still can't believe this thread.

[Arlingzen Bill]

This thread reads like an angry circle jerk.

Says the woman that has had lunches at a strip club... so have I...same place and a different one. I could pretend the strip clubs were for my health... breast staring is good for your heart... but I like breasts of all makes and sizes. The advantage of a strip club, no malware on your computer.

[Former Lord of Winterfell]

It's cool. Judging and running is a lot more fun than actually participating in a conversation.

Not a fan of the places either, for all the reasons previously mentioned. And to add that it just seems to be an admission of complete lameness that you have to pay some girl to bump and grind for you.

Best experience I ever had was a club that had one girl who would give really good neck/back massages for the price of a lap dance. My self and the other married guy who was in the group went that route.

[alguien]

Bah. Strip clubs are America's hypocritical Puritan substitute for brothels.

ETA: not that I agree with brothels, per se, but at least its honest

[Rubies & Jade]

Why go to a strip club? Because I enjoy having a drink while perusing the (sometimes) natural work of art that is the female body.

But every now and again, with the right level of alcohol and friends, you can walk in, have a blast, look at boobs and then move on, having had a decent time.

So basically, I'm saying, "sure strip clubs are kind of dumb proposition, but sometimes dumb entertainment is the best kind." Just like a casino or a dive bar, there are occasions where they make total sense.

Different strokes for different folks.

I for one find absolutely nothing wrong with getting smashed on champagne and whisky while staring at lovely naked ladies.

these pretty much sum it up in my mind. Like anything, there are good ones and bad ones, people that are exploited and people that love doing it, and can either be taken for what it is or obsessed over & overused to ridiculousness & pathetic-ism (I know that's not a word, but I don't feel like overt-thinking this right now).

I've never been a stripper, but I've known plenty. some are kinda sad addicts & wounded souls, some are just love the work and some happily put themselves through college that way. like anything, why would it be one-size fits all? Its not to everyone's tastes, but what is? If ya don't like them, why do you go?

I wonder if any other women who like or don't mind strip clubs will comment on this thread? I know I've seen plenty in strip clubs who are enjoying themselves as customers.

[awesome possum]

Not a fan of the places either, for all the reasons previously mentioned. And to add that it just seems to be an admission of complete lameness that you have to pay some girl to bump and grind for you.

What bothers me the most are the outrageously drunk guys pawing over the girls trying to flirt their way to a lap dance. I don't like those places. I prefer clubs with a strict no-touch policy.

I will argue that going to a strip club doesn't mean to have to pay for physical contact with a female. As Blaine said above, sometimes dumb fun is the way to go.

Best experience I ever had was a club that had one girl who would give really good neck/back massages for the price of a lap dance. My self and the other married guy who was in the group went that route.

That actually sounds awesome and makes me surprised more bars/clubs don't employ something like this for happy hours.

[Seventh Pup]

I had a friend who was a cocktail waitress at a strip club for a while. She is very beautiful and a very balanced normal girl. She was making her way through college and liked that she could make that much money waitressing. But she only lasted a couple months. The clientele depressed her, and creeped her out, and the owner of the place started to really pressure her to strip. She said that more then just needing money, a lot of what makes girls strip is the high they get from being the center of attention. She didn't want to go down that road how ever and quit while the quitting was good. I don't think she's proud of the fact that she worked there, but I don't think she is ashamed either. It was just a crappy job with crappy clients.

I think the comparison between strip clubs and dive bars and casinos is a good one. Sticking your head in one every now and again is okay and could lead to good times. But being a regular is probably not a good thing.

[Tinydigit]

What doesn't make sense is this:

Either your sarcasm failed or you completely missed the point.

It was sarcastic, but it was an attempt to point out the irony at your tirade at me for not considering the plight of the actress who was exploited and denigrated for three lines in a movie in the same post where you defend strip clubs, which one could argue are a great example – if not the primary example – that people use when they talk about the plight of exploited and denigrated women. One could also argue that if we can admit that some women who are stripping are exploited and denigrated, there are more of them exposed to it in strip clubs around the country than in Hollywood. So it was an interesting argument on your part to say the least.

[Tinydigit]

Strip clubs are what they are. The same DJ, the same mix of sad dudes by themselves and the women who refer to them as "regulars."

But every now and again, with the right level of alcohol and friends, you can walk in, have a blast, look at boobs and then move on, having had a decent time.

So basically, I'm saying, "sure strip clubs are kind of dumb proposition, but sometimes dumb entertainment is the best kind." Just like a casino or a dive bar, there are occasions where they make total sense.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. For some people, a strip club is just the occasional “dumb entertainment,” but I am more interested in the motivation for the sad dudes by themselves that the women refer to as regulars. What the fuck keeps bringing them back? Escapist fantasy is my best answer.

My intent wasn’t to bash on guys or women that go once a year or so to look at some breasts and go home, or who haven’t gone in five years, it is to find out where you have to be, what kind of frame of mind you have to be in, to become one of those “regulars.”

[awesome possum]

It was sarcastic, but it was an attempt to point out the irony at your tirade at me for not considering the plight of the actress who was exploited and denigrated for three lines in a movie in the same post where you defend strip clubs, which one could argue are a great example – if not the primary example – that people use when they talk about the plight of exploited and denigrated women. One could also argue that if we can admit that some women who are stripping are exploited and denigrated, there are more of them exposed to it in strip clubs around the country than in Hollywood. So it was an interesting argument on your part to say the least.

And again with missing the point, which I feel you're almost purposely doing. And if you're not intentionally missing the point, well, I certainly don't feel like laying it out in even more simplistic terms. So I'm going to go ahead and ignore you from here on out. Thanks for playing, though.

[Kalbear]

The only time I have ever seen deader eyes above a smile are when I come home from work and kiss my wife.

Yeah, I suspect this will be a reasonable topic.

Strip clubs aren't just an American thing. They're certainly not just for Americans who can't go to brothels. Case in point: Amsterdam and sex shows. Clearly if you think that a strip club is bad, those things must be WAY worse.

But lots of folks go. And it's a good time. The gal that looked like Chataya (the boarder, not the character) doing tricks with candle and ribbon was particularly awesome.

I don't really enjoy going that often but I have gone - and the fun is entirely what you personally make of it and what your friends make of it. It can be a depressing example of all the women who aren't going to fuck you - but it can also be a really fun time with naked people.

One tip: it goes much more fun when you start treating the strippers like actual people who are doing a job (a service, really) and less like they're horrible ho-bags. Having conversations with them, getting into their acts and cheering on, being genuinely engaged makes it pretty fun some times. Not always; there are plenty of strippers who are vamping it up to get the most money in the least amount of time. Others are there and know they'll get their money one way or another and are interested in having fun - talking with the guys and gals that come in there, teasing 'em a bit, etc.

If all you're thinking of it as is a way to get a hardon, you're really selling it short.

[Anatole Kuragin]

How does a thread about something as glorious as nude female dancers become dudes bitching at each other so easily?

You guys, kiss and make up. But not on the mouth.

[Tinydigit]

And again with missing the point, which I feel you're almost purposely doing. And if you're not intentionally missing the point, well, I certainly don't feel like laying it out in even more simplistic terms. So I'm going to go ahead and ignore you from here on out. Thanks for playing, though.

You forgot your ball. Can I expect your mom to call mine tonight or are we just not going to sit together on the bus ride into school tomorrow and then be cool in the afternoon? Apparently Chaldanya and I both missed your great point. But then she started ignoring you and got accused of ducking and running.

[Tinydigit]

Yeah, I suspect this will be a reasonable topic.

Strip clubs aren't just an American thing. They're certainly not just for Americans who can't go to brothels. Case in point: Amsterdam and sex shows. Clearly if you think that a strip club is bad, those things must be WAY worse.

But lots of folks go. And it's a good time. The gal that looked like Chataya (the boarder, not the character) doing tricks with candle and ribbon was particularly awesome.

I don't really enjoy going that often but I have gone - and the fun is entirely what you personally make of it and what your friends make of it. It can be a depressing example of all the women who aren't going to fuck you - but it can also be a really fun time with naked people.

One tip: it goes much more fun when you start treating the strippers like actual people who are doing a job (a service, really) and less like they're horrible ho-bags. Having conversations with them, getting into their acts and cheering on, being genuinely engaged makes it pretty fun some times. Not always; there are plenty of strippers who are vamping it up to get the most money in the least amount of time. Others are there and know they'll get their money one way or another and are interested in having fun - talking with the guys and gals that come in there, teasing 'em a bit, etc.

If all you're thinking of it as is a way to get a hardon, you're really selling it short.

Maybe because I can hear the tone of my own voice in my head when I type, the faux outrage meant to engender a discussion is startling fucking clear. That line was meant to be funny and poke fun at myself. As were the two stories about some fun adventures I’ve had at strip clubs.

Strippers are people? God damn! That just changed my worldview. I know from anecdotal evidence that they feel more disgust and disdain for the regulars than I do – which is why they might have “dead eyes above a smile” because at that point, the regular has exhausted their good grace and empathy and is now just a car payment. He is pathetic in my eyes and theirs. So my question is why the regular becomes, remains, and will likely continue to be, the guy that gives stripper’s the creeps and strip clubs a bad rap.

As an aside, at what post count can a user expect to have levity and faux outrage recognized for what they are? 500?

[Galactus]

As an aside, at what post count can a user expect to have levity and faux outrage recognized for what they are? 500?

That comes with Council Member status at post #1000.