Strip Clubs

[Kalbear]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be upset if your husband goes to a stripper party, or whatnot. If I did that, I'd likely wake up one morning to find that my member had been cut off by a meat cleaver, and I can't say I'd blame my wife. Absolutely no reason to indulge in things like that when you have someone of actual emotional value to share your physical intimacy with.

I don't think that you can call ogling 13 year old girls in middle school showers a strip club, Cant.

[Guest Raids]

There are always things a spouse could do that would piss you off, but going to a strip club, on its own, is not one of them for me. But if it is for other people that's okay. But previously I was being stupid for me, by my own set of ethics. I should have clarified on that point.

[dolorouseddwasright]

Some poeple may like their jobs as strippers but I really think the vast majority don't. Also, they don't like you, dude. They like your money. Yes, I'm talking to you. And you. And you.

The strippers don't like me? I'm shocked. I would be truly saddened if I could remember the last time I went to a strip club. :P

[Mya Stone]

You make some sort of line in the sand value judgment between strip clubs and porn, then?

I love the enthusiasm and thought behind this, Kairbear, but you know that this point will either A. never be addressed or B. be hypocritically responded to.

I've given up the good fight, but support your efforts 100%. :kiss:

[Cantabile]

I don't think that you can call ogling 13 year old girls in middle school showers a strip club, Cant.

I don't get this comment. Can you clarify?

There are always things a spouse could do that would piss you off, but going to a strip club, on its own, is not one of them for me. But if it is for other people that's okay. But previously I was being stupid for me, by my own set of ethics. I should have clarified on that point.

Ah, well, I'll agree. Some people are perfectly fine with their spouses going to strip clubs, and if that works for them then more power to them. I'm on the other side of the camp, myself, and see it as a form of cheating, and would never approve of my own partner doing it. But different cups of tea for different folks, diversity makes the world go 'round.

[kairparavel]

I love the enthusiasm and thought behind this, Kairbear, but you know that this point will either A. never be addressed or B. be hypocritically responded to.

I've given up the good fight, but support your efforts 100%. :kiss:

:commie:

:lol:

:lmao:

:bang:

[Kalbear]

I don't get this comment. Can you clarify?

Not really. Those who want to get it will, and those who don't won't.

diversity makes the world go 'round.

No, that'd be gravity.

[Spastic Plastic]

Ah, well, I'll agree. Some people are perfectly fine with their spouses going to strip clubs, and if that works for them then more power to them.

Depends on the couple. I really don't feel a great need to go to strip clubs, least of all when I was in a relationship (okay, I did get dragged along to a strip joint on a guys-night-out reunion, but then again, she went a few times to male strip shows with her own friends). I still don't find them very appealing.

I'm on the other side of the camp, myself, and see it as a form of cheating, and would never approve of my own partner doing it.

Okay. What does your partner think of your various porn addictions?

[Shryke]

I find strip-clubs terribly ... boring. And they overcharge for drinks and kick you out if you don't have one.

They can be fun, but only the same way any place can be fun: if you bring the fun in with you. Mostly it seemed like an expensive place to see some naked people. I can see nudity for free and I'd have more fun for less money at a bar.

The last couple of times I've been was bachelor parties. One time I fell asleep on pervert's row. The other time ... well, we went wandering while drunk looking for a strip club in Hamilton. That was .... an experience.

[Cantabile]

Not really. Those who want to get it will, and those who don't won't.

Okay, then. I'll just assume it's some pop cultural reference I'm unaware of.

Depends on the couple. I really don't feel a great need to go to strip clubs, least of all when I was in a relationship (okay, I did get dragged along to a strip joint on a guys-night-out reunion, but then again, she went a few times to male strip shows with her own friends).

On that note, anyone have an idea of what the difference is in pay between female and male strippers?

Okay. What does your partner think of your various porn addictions?

Not going to discuss my personal life. "Do as I say, not as I do," I suppose sums up things pretty well. I'm a complete hypocrite on this subject, I know I am, but hey we're all hypocrites in some way. At least I own up to it :P

[peterbound]

So, strips clubs.

I'm a fan. When i was younger my wife would drive me to them and drop me off (I guess she's cool that way), her rule with this arrangement was that no matter how worked up i was, i couldn't get laid when i got home. Lame.

Many a moons were spent at the local gentlemen's club participating in 'choir practice' with my fellow young fire fighters. They seemed to have a predilection for nursing staff and strippers.

I very rarely go to them any more. Some times an old friend will come into town and we'll hit one up for old time sake, but i just don't see the point any more.

I will say this, however, if you ever find yourself in Texas find a gentlemen's club. They are so forward down there the fucking strippers took even me out of my comfort zone.

[felice]

I’d also like to hear what women think about going to strip clubs with male dancers. My wife has never been to one and none of our mutual female friends will admit to it either. Are they inherently more tasteful than their counterpart or is it pretty much the same scene of desperate rebellion inside?

In my extremely limited and unrepresentative experience, yeah, clubs with male strippers are an order of magnitude more salubrious than ones with female strippers.

hell, after work it is normal for you and your coworkers (male and female) to head off to a local strip club...

if you are at a bar why not have naked women to improve the ambiance?

Is it always clubs with female strippers? How would you feel about the ambiance provided by attractive naked men?

[S John]

Can we all at least agree that actual strip clubs are a million times better than Burlesque shows? There's way less hipsters in strip clubs. And boobs were never meant to be appreciated ironically.

One day I'll tell you the tale of how I was entered into a burlesque dance contest against my will.... and won. :smoking:

[S John]

Also, to kinda chime in with several others... I've never been huge on strip clubs, but under the right set of circumstances it can be quite fun sometimes. Belive it or not, I've only been less than 10 times in my life. Some were fun, some sucked epically. I even once went to a bachelor party where the strippers came to the house and engaged in unspeakable activities. I'll never again eat a banana (or play ping pong) without thinking of that night.

While I'm at it, I should mention that if you think you like going to strip clubs from time to time, don't ever go to Las Vegas. I went to Sapphire in Las Vegas for a bachelor party last year. It was incredible, it is THE strip club. You discover that all other strip clubs are merely a reflection of reality, while Sapphire is its true form. No local yokel bullshit can ever compare. But, honorable mention to the city of Baltimore.

[Exa Inova]

Although Amsterdam and various other big cities in Holland might have plenty of sex shows - it is hardly a regular feature of Dutch society and certainly not one that is as, from my point of view, deeply, ingrained in American society (why that is would be a topic for another thread).

I agree with Zollo for the first part but I have doubts about the second.

Very unscientific and based on responses in this thread it would seem strip bars are a pretty normal venues to frequent in the states. Or, by the members of this board, or by the readers of this thread. But nothing more boring than a balanced view so I say its ingrained in your society.

We, dutch have quite a liberal view on many things (our drug policy, gay marriage, legal prostitution to name a few) but we (and I do dare say 'WE') view stripclubs as an oddity to visit. Bullshit arguments like the weather would fail since to my knowledge it can get pretty cold in the states too.

I was the first to respond to the op and reacted with a question back. My conclusion now is: You like to look at/and or be around naked people during social interaction.

Thats just what you do. No biggie.

[Lady Luffa]

I agree with Zollo for the first part but I have doubts about the second.

Very unscientific and based on responses in this thread it would seem strip bars are a pretty normal venues to frequent in the states. Or, by the members of this board, or by the readers of this thread. But nothing more boring than a balanced view so I say its ingrained in your society.

We, dutch have quite a liberal view on many things (our drug policy, gay marriage, legal prostitution to name a few) but we (and I do dare say 'WE') view stripclubs as an oddity to visit. Bullshit arguments like the weather would fail since to my knowledge it can get pretty cold in the states too.

I was the first to respond to the op and reacted with a question back. My conclusion now is: You like to look at/and or be around naked people during social interaction.

Thats just what you do. No biggie.

Yeah that's my idea too. When I lived in Amsterdam I never heard of anyone going to one of the shows. We might walk through the red light district to get to this nice Tibetan restaurant near the budhist temple, but never heard anyone actually going to a club.

When I lived in Utrecht I lived near a club called The Kitty club. I assumed it was a strip bar, but it was hard to be sure since it seemed be closed most months, even in the evenings.

I did have some friends that went to the Chippendales, so it's not totally unheard off. Just the idea of going to a strip club for drinks and or food, while watching the women dance is not something I've heard anyone do.

From this thread it seems like most adult Americans have been in one, and that is a pretty normal thing to do. In Holland or Sweden for that matter it seems it's less so, since the people that post here, and the people I know never have been. It's interesting to see this difference and it makes me wonder why there seems to be such a large disparity.:dunno:

[Rubies & Jade]

an interesting thread~

Ask, and ye shall receive.

I don't mind going once or twice a year. I even have a favorite - Tattletales, of the Motley Crue "Girls, Girls, Girls" fame. I like the music, the drinks are fairly inexpensive, and I don't mind nudity.

The best part is, I can compare myself to these other women, who are totally not able to hide anything (GA is a fully nude state), and 97% of the time, I walk away feeling much better, because I look better naked than they do :)

The other 3% of the time, I appreciate the transient nature of the female form in a state of perfection.

very nicely said, Chats. and thanks for sharing your opinion! Every club I've ever been in has had a whole range of women~ short, tall, thin, heavy etc. Its like going to a nude beach, its a pleasant way of being comfortable with myself and others. I don't really compare myself to them exactly but I understand what you're saying here.

I also think the naked body is art & beauty and I like looking at them. I don't think that necessarily translates to objectifying the person. I have artwork focused on nudes hanging on my walls at home from modern originals to reproductions of old, classic work. Women can be objectified for sure, but I don't see strip clubs as automatically doing so.

How does a thread about something as glorious as nude female dancers become dudes bitching at each other so easily?

You guys, kiss and make up. But not on the mouth.

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I agree. And you can tell just what kind a of a place it is by watching the girls. We've walked out of a few because you knew the girls were in a rough place in life. Other places, the girls were awesome - put on a great show, had great, unforced attitudes, etc. As a girl, I had fun. It had been years since I'd last been to one and we just went last month. Good times. Oh, and it was 5 of us girls and Jay. ;)

agreed for sure. and me, being a girl, I always call ahead if I'm going to a club I've never been too. I ask a bunch of questions about how the girls are treated and paid, what the rules of the club are, etc. sometimes I can get a girl on the phone, which is even better. but based on their answers I can tell what kind of place it is too, and there are some clubs I def would not go to. I just don't see that you can paint these things with one brush.

for me strip clubs are not about sex. i am not sitting erect as i hand cash to these women and have drinks. but, if you are at a bar why not have naked women to improve the ambiance?

yup. the club I like best has good food and drinks for a decent price. if ya want a lap dance, they take you to another room so there is more privacy for that. and easily 1/3 of the customers is women (many presumably straight since they seem to be there with boyfriends/husbands).

[Galactus]

Yeah that's my idea too. When I lived in Amsterdam I never heard of anyone going to one of the shows. We might walk through the red light district to get to this nice Tibetan restaurant near the budhist temple, but never heard anyone actually going to a club.

When I lived in Utrecht I lived near a club called The Kitty club. I assumed it was a strip bar, but it was hard to be sure since it seemed be closed most months, even in the evenings.

I did have some friends that went to the Chippendales, so it's not totally unheard off. Just the idea of going to a strip club for drinks and or food, while watching the women dance is not something I've heard anyone do.

From this thread it seems like most adult Americans have been in one, and that is a pretty normal thing to do. In Holland or Sweden for that matter it seems it's less so, since the people that post here, and the people I know never have been. It's interesting to see this difference and it makes me wonder why there seems to be such a large disparity.:dunno:

I could make a crackpot theory that since Sweden (at least) has less of a nudity taboo than the US it doesen't have the same "charge" to just watched naked people and thus it's ot something people are willing to pay for... But that's probably extrapolating too far :P

[Skadhi]

What an interesting topic.

I'm a woman who has been to several male strip clubs with friends over the years. Maybe it's different for women, but we went just to have a few drinks, have fun, and see some nice, buff men for a change. It wasn't about going home with the dancers or anything; we all know that's not going to happen. But hey, women like to look at men just as much as men like to look at women and there's nothing wrong with that.

We really need to get over our priggish Puritanical attitudes towards sex.

Maybe we should ask the dancers themselves, men and women, whether or not they feel exploited. Just because someone shows off their body for a living doesn't mean they are forced to do it, and it doesn't mean they don't enjoy it. Many are college-aged trying to put themselves through school, and they can make a lot of money stripping and dancing. Who are we to judge them for that?

[TerraPrime]

As for objectification, ogling a stripper or admiring how hot Alexander Skarsgard is amounts to the same thing, in my view.

I'd disagree. The issue is implied power differential in the exchange. For movie stars, they are indeed ogled and objectified. However, the immediacy is not the same as when a stripper (male or female) is ogled and objectified. Actors and actresses earn their pay through the movie studios, which then earn their profit from selling tickets to movies or selling TV shows. The actors and actresses do not perform for one or two people only. So the lecherous intent from the audience is not a direct factor on their work.

For strippers, they are typically performing for a small crowd, often doing one-on-one face time to get more tips. I think the power difference there is much greater than the case of an audience objectifying an actor or an actress.