Strip Clubs

[Lord O' Bones]

On paper, still illegal.

In practice? I dunno. Never been there. But it would not surprise me at all that enforcement of the anti-prostitution laws is pretty lax in Las Vegas.

To be sure. They still leave brochures and whatnot in the phone booths. Come to think of it, this may be why Vegas still has phone booths. But FYI, it's still illegal there.

[Kalbear]

Bull. Shit.

Sure, human interaction is a part of going to a strip joint, but that's not why people go there.

You're right, but the element of actually interacting with the strippers on some level is a lot more to do with their success than simply getting off. As Cant points out the 'getting off' part is pretty lame. Strip clubs sell the fantasy, and they do it with a lot more than visual cues.

Fast food = gross and unhealthy

Strip bars = gross and unhealthy

That's all I was conveying

You did a shit job of it then.

What's especially odd is how porn = gross and unhealthy doesn't fit in there. The porn industry is surely just as repressive and demeaning towards the actors as stripping is, no? And strippers very rarely have to deal with regular STD checks like porn stars do, so the 'unhealthy' part is clearly not in porn's favor.

I'm not saying it's a benefit to mankind, but to slam them and then say how awesome porn is is...a bit crazy. It's more than a bit crazy - it is self-delusional. Now, I can see why some people would prefer porn to strippers - when you get off on demeaning the object of your lust and you don't want to see them as anything other than an object to come on, it's hard when you're actually physically present to do this (this is, btw, another reason I think regulars at strip clubs are a bit creepier than regulars at porn shacks - because the regulars at strip clubs have been able to objectify a living, breathing human who is near them, which is a bit more sociopathic). But anyway - if you can't stand to think of that guy or gal you're rubbing one out to as a real human with real feelings, I can see how a strip club would definitely be way more disgusting.

Yes, because he doesn't go to strip clubs (because his wife would castrate him and has a better chance of finding out about it) but he does use porn so porn is okay.

It's completely logical, kal. You're usually pretty perceptive and astute. I'm surprised you missed that point.

Oh hush you. I'm none of those things, and I'm trying to bait him.

[Kalbear]

But what I find weird is when some people on this board go great lengths to explain how strip clubs are all about a good atmosphere and human interaction. At least be honest that you go there to see naked tits.

Well, duh. But that's like saying why go to a restaurant vs. cooking at home? That's the debate. The 'naked tits' part is implied. The question is not why you'd go to a strip club vs., say mini golf (an aside: would strip mini golf be awesome or SUPER awesome? discuss) but why you'd go to a strip club vs. staying at home for porn or going to a bar to meet women or staying home and having a spank party with your friends.

And the reason is that you're doing it as a group, you're doing it to rebel and be a bit risque, you're doing it for the environment of the strip club. That's the difference. The actual naked part is not nearly as efficient as porn, not nearly as convenient as porn and not as cheap as porn. If all you want is to see actual tits, a strip club is clearly kinda silly.

[Spastic Plastic]

(an aside: would strip mini golf be awesome or SUPER awesome? discuss)

Hell yeah. That's a great idea.

[RWHamel]

Actually, prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas. I'm pretty sure this is the case. The legal brothels are all outside the city limits in remote rural areas (wikipedia assures me this is the case).

Edit: I see this has already been answered. Since my post must have a point, yay strip clubs. I am a low class individual anyways.

What about Reno???? :drool:

[IheartTesla]

Illegal in all urban areas, Reno included.

[Cantabile]

I'm not saying it's a benefit to mankind, but to slam them and then say how awesome porn is is...a bit crazy. It's more than a bit crazy - it is self-delusional. Now, I can see why some people would prefer porn to strippers - when you get off on demeaning the object of your lust and you don't want to see them as anything other than an object to come on, it's hard when you're actually physically present to do this (this is, btw, another reason I think regulars at strip clubs are a bit creepier than regulars at porn shacks - because the regulars at strip clubs have been able to objectify a living, breathing human who is near them, which is a bit more sociopathic). But anyway - if you can't stand to think of that guy or gal you're rubbing one out to as a real human with real feelings, I can see how a strip club would definitely be way more disgusting.

Pornography has plenty of problems as well, and it isn't a golden beacon of purity by any means either. But when it comes down to it, in my view pornography is normal whereas strip clubs are low class. Perhaps this is simply a symptom of being raised to view sexuality as something to be intimate and personal, thus making pornography in the privacy of your home perfectly fine, whereas going to a strip club is tarnishing one's social reputation, and demeaning. I cannot answer for what all the factors contributing to my view of strip clubs are, all I can say is what the end result is that I think lowly of them, and yeah, maybe I look down on those that frequent them.

Not to say that I have a problem with people going to them period. If you're going just to experience it, or because you're dragged along in your social group, then sure, whatever. But if going to a strip club is the highlight of someone's week, and what they look forward to all day long, then something's terribly wrong. Note that none of the people in this thread are like that.

[RWHamel]

Illegal in all urban areas, Reno included.

I was just joking around, but actually there are a couple of brothels in Lockwood and Patrick to the East. :)

[Edda van Heefmstra Ruston]

I haven't seen any peer-reviewed studies linking frequency of tittie bar visits and self-esteem or others' perception (of the visitors).

[Cantabile]

I wonder what the difference in income between prostitutes and strippers is.

[Lord O' Bones]

I wonder what the difference in income between prostitutes and strippers is.

I imagine about the same as between doctors and lawyers. Or carpenters and electricians. Or wait-staff and bartenders. How good at your job are you and where do you work?

[Kalbear]

in my view pornography is normal whereas strip clubs are low class.

whereas going to a strip club is tarnishing one's social reputation, and demeaning.

what the end result is that I think lowly of them, and yeah, maybe I look down on those that frequent them.

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Not to say that I have a problem with people going to them period.

Oh no, heaven forbid anyone think that you implied THAT!

Here's the easiest way to show you categorically that you're completely wrong, Cant. You are aware that strip clubs can often cater to a very high-priced clientelle, right? Do you know how much money some athletes and rock stars spend at strip clubs? One famous football player spent $63000 in one night at a club.

Now, do you believe that to be 'low class'? Is that something that most people can do? Do you think that those with very little money actually go to strip clubs?

Compare that to this phrase: 'high class pornography'. Does such a thing even exist? Could someone spend $10,000 on pron and get a product or experience significantly different than what normal porn purveyors get? (I'm genuinely curious just so I can fill out my xmas list early)

The thing is that if you view sexuality and sex as something to be ashamed of, never talked about and always repressed of course a strip club is going to be worse for you. If you want to objectify the people you're wacking off to, naturally strip clubs are bad as well - but a strip club is out in the open, is in a group environment, etc. You find that repulsive - sharing actual enjoyment of sexuality - whereas others find it kinda awesome and uplifting because here you are and you're actually normal for wanting to stare at beautiful, naked people. You know this because you're around other people too.

Of course you don't view it that way because that would fuck up your worldview - naturally anyone who goes to a strip club is just doing it for the lulz or is a creepy fucking regular because if they weren't - if they were normal - then there would be people out there who actually enjoy seeing naked people and aren't ashamed of that.

You can't have that, so naturally those people have to be creepy. The other idea is just too wrong to consider for you.

[Kalbear]

Wow. Beastiality, S&M, and gay sex.

AFK

[Cantabile]

I imagine about the same as between doctors and lawyers. Or carpenters and electricians. Or wait-staff and bartenders. How good at your job are you and where do you work?

True enough. I was just interested in the question of whether or not one should be paid more for selling their body directly in the form of intercourse, or for selling it visually to crowds. I would think that prostitution should pay more due to the higher risk and, well, the fact that stripping in front of disgusting old men is probably a lot less emotionally and physically painful for a girl than having sex with them.

[DanteGabriel]

the fact that stripping in front of disgusting old men is probably a lot less emotionally and physically painful for a girl than having sex with them.

But it's cool if you're just watching video footage of such activities.

[Kalbear]

stripping in front of disgusting old men is probably a lot less emotionally and physically painful for a girl than having sex with them.

You're truly a fascinating person.

Truly.

[DanteGabriel]

Well, it depends entirely on the video footage, doesn't it? I have no doubt there's a lot of variation between each client in the prostitution industry as well, though. Still, plenty of pornography isn't harmful to whatever girl is involved, and it's a pretty different scenario than having sex with random strangers.

So you only view organic shade-grown free-range porn?

[Kalbear]

Still, plenty of pornography isn't harmful to whatever girl is involved, and it's a pretty different scenario than having sex with random strangers.

You can say precisely the same thing about stripping or prostitution. Plenty of stripping isn't harmful to the strippers (or it is the same kind of harm that prostitution is).

Though here are some interesting points: no one accidentally ends up being a stripper or a prostitute. One can end up being a porn star accidentally though.

Also, many, MANY porns are of the 'have sex with random strangers' category. Or do you think that in the Houston 500 the gal was formally introduced to the 500 guys that she had sex with?

So you only view organic shade-grown free-range porn?

The best porn is lacto-ovo porn that is guaranteed to be conflict-free.

[DanteGabriel]

The best porn is lacto-ovo porn that is guaranteed to be conflict-free.

I tried switching to vegan porn but it turns out that's just footage of scrawny people with glassy eyes cramming bacon into their mouths.

[Cantabile]

So you only view organic shade-grown free-range porn?

Plenty of pornographic actresses get to choose whom they have sex with, and there is also tons of amateur porn that features real couples, who are having sex out of personal intimacy. There's no emotional or physical harm involved in those cases. In any case, pornographic actresses are given attractive males to have intercourse with, usually, and the sexual acts are scripted and prepared for. Porn stars know exactly what they're getting into and are just following their lines, which is why I'm using the term actress for them.

Also, many, MANY porns are of the 'have sex with random strangers' category. Or do you think that in the Houston 500 the gal was formally introduced to the 500 guys that she had sex with?

I have no idea what that is, so can't really comment. Is there an actual genre/type of pornography where the entire point is the porn star having sex with random me?