Lord O' Bones Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I tried switching to vegan porn but it turns out that's just footage of scrawny people with glassy eyes cramming bacon into their mouths.Goddamnit. She told me she deleted that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord O' Bones Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Is there an actual genre/type of pornography where the entire point is the porn star having sex with random me?Now that would be random. But internet, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Plenty of pornographic actresses get to choose whom they have sex with, and there is also tons of amateur porn that features real couples, who are having sex out of personal intimacy. There's no emotional or physical harm involved in those cases. In any case, pornographic actresses are given attractive males to have intercourse with, usually, and the sexual acts are scripted and prepared for. Porn stars know exactly what they're getting into and are just following their lines, which is why I'm using the term actress for them.Whatever helps you whack off at night while basking in your moral superiority, dude.I'll have you know I only go to strip clubs that are run by caring lesbian communes that make us sign waivers to always think respectfully of the womyn on stage (who are wearing cruelty-free makeup and organic hemp thongs, of course). Oh, and they only dance to Sarah McLachlan and the Indigo Girls.and there is also tons of amateur porn that features real couples, who are having sex out of personal intimacy.Yeah, I checked out the Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee video too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spastic Plastic Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Cantabile, since you're a regular watcher of porn, you really don't have a moral high ground to stand on. Whatever helps you whack off at night while basking in your moral superiority, dude.Best comment in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 and there is also tons of amateur porn that features real couples, who are having sex out of personal intimacy.And really, what better way to be intimate with another person than to videotape anal and then put it on a website and charge people $10 a month to allow them to see it.The couples who are doing amateur porn are doing so because it's a business or because they get off on showing people what they're doing. If they're not doing that, they didn't mean for it to be viewed by you in the first place and you're basically fucking over their life by watching it. Hell, there's genres of porns that either simulate fucking over people or do actually fuck over people by 'tricking them' to having sex and broadcasting it. Most of that is probably not 'real' fucking over, but the notion that this is a genre puts a big, fat lie to the idea that people aren't harmed by porn. Not only are people often harmed by doing porn - even the regular stuff (such as STDs), the consumers of porn want people to be harmed. There's no emotional or physical harm involved in those cases. And there are plenty of strippers who work 1 night a week at high-priced places and choose who they do table dances for and who they even talk with. There are plenty of high-priced prostitutes who choose exactly who they take on as clients. Why do you gloss over these details and assume all porn actors are doing it without any issues or concerns?I have no idea what that is, so can't really comment. Is there an actual genre/type of pornography where the entire point is the porn star having sex with random me? She's having sex with 500 men. In a row. One after another. Many porn actors get to choose who they work with - but those are the exception and tend to be the really successful ones. Most porn actors don't have nearly that choice in the matter. And that's assuming you're just talking about the sex you see; there's plenty of sex that happens as a requisite before hand, there are the fluffers and the like, etc. The notion that strip clubs - which don't actually have sex as their primary thing - are somehow worse than pornography, which features basically every sex act you can think of - is nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantabile Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I'll have you know I only go to strip clubs that are run by caring lesbian communes that make us sign waivers to always think respectfully of the womyn on stage (who are wearing cruelty-free makeup and organic hemp thongs, of course). Oh, and they only dance to Sarah McLachlan and the Indigo Girls.Now that is a strip club I would set foot in.Cantabile, since you're a regular watcher of porn, you really don't have a moral high ground to stand on. I don't think pornography and strip clubs are so comparable that if you do one you should be okay with the other. Just because I eat apples doesn't mean I approve of people eating oranges. I can still think of them as people with scurvy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Plenty of pornographic actresses get to choose whom they have sex with, and there is also tons of amateur porn that features real couples, who are having sex out of personal intimacy. There's no emotional or physical harm involved in those cases. In any case, pornographic actresses are given attractive males to have intercourse with, usually, and the sexual acts are scripted and prepared for. Porn stars know exactly what they're getting into and are just following their lines, which is why I'm using the term actress for them.I have no idea what that is, so can't really comment. Is there an actual genre/type of pornography where the entire point is the porn star having sex with random me?Really? You're a regular consumer of porn and you are this flamingly ignorant about the industry and the genres available?I am a regular consumer of porn and find your characterizations of porn to be either willfully naive or totally disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesome possum Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 But what I find weird is when some people on this board go great lengths to explain how strip clubs are all about a good atmosphere and human interaction. At least be honest that you go there to see naked tits.I don't think anyone has said all strip clubs are about good atmosphere and human interaction. I recall most people who spoke positively of them mentioned fairly bluntly that viewing naked women was a huge part of why they go. I do believe that a good strip club is one with a good atmosphere and human interaction. I know I would not stay long or ever plan on returning to one where the opposites were true. But when it comes down to it, in my view pornography is normal whereas strip clubs are low class ... view sexuality as something to be intimate and personalYes, something intimate and personal. Like a woman being anally penetrated before orally pleasuring a man who will then ejaculate all over her face. A man she either doesn't know, barely knows or knows well because they are paid to have sex often. That's very intimate and personal. In my view, dude, your view on this subject verges on the mentally handicapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repman Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I was in a strip joint at Red light district in old Par-is (Rue St Dennis) with a couple Legionnaires; American and other European tourist would come in and order a drink. A couple bouncers would come and jack up their bill, if they put up enough struggle they'd let em out but I saw those stupid idiots get taken for hundreds of euros. Still more would wander through the doors.... Almost as entertaining as the girls.... I've outgrown the whole strip joint phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Edit Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 How old does one have to be to be a creepy old man? <looking at birth certificate>Uh-oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felice Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 The couples who are doing amateur porn are doing so because it's a business or because they get off on showing people what they're doing.If it's a business, you're rather stretching the definition of amateur. If they get off on it, cool, everyone wins - that doesn't mean there's no personal intimacy involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Didn't say there wasn't intimacy, though personal intimacy as defined by 'what gets you off personally' is a bit of a stretch too. But I don't think filming yourself fucking and then getting off on the notion of other people watching has the primary goal of being personally intimate. Amateur porn is usually labeled as such mostly because of the style and what's going on in it, not because of the lack of money. It's not like it's amateur athletics. It means that they're not part of a video company, are doing it on the cheap, tend not to have sets or anything beyond their house or whatever and don't have cameramen or usually any kind of revolving cast. It's just some people fucking and filming it. But yeah, they do it for money too. Apparently it's pretty lucrative (or can be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski the Swift Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 My heart hurts a little because I missed the beginning of this thread. It was right up my alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski the Swift Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Oops, double post.Um, Men's Gallery Melbourne anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 [MOD]No more personal attacks please.Also, we have the 'report' and 'ignore' functions for good reasons.Any more of it and the thread will be closed.[/MOD] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantabile Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 This whole discussion so far has mostly been about females in the sex industries, but specifically in terms of how it negatively affects the workers (drug abuse, etc. were mentioned) I wonder to what degree these problems affect male strippers and prostitutes, and how that reflects our own cultures. It's an interesting topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brude Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Damn, 12 pages...okay, I read part of the first page then I just decided to skip to the end, so I'm missing most of this thread. It's too much to read and it's late, but I'll say my bit.I used to go to strip clubs more often; I don't think I've been in maybe two years, mostly for economic reasons but I think my interest has run out a bit. They are fun, but one has to only take it as a bit of that and nothing more. On a couple of occasions I found myself spending more money than I intended, it's easy to do and the male mind gets really stupid about money when sexually stimulated (there have actually been scientific studies about that), which is why the business model of the strip club works so well. The trick is to go into it with a set limit of what you intend to spend, know that just to drink and get a few dances can easily run you $80 or $100, and just be strict with yourself about not going farther with it. VIP/Champagne rooms are only for the rich. I can't imagine spending $700 to spend an hour with a pretty girl. If I was rich and that kind of money was nothing to me, maybe I would, but it's just crazy cash, IMO.Going to a club with friends who are girls can be a lot of fun because the dancers seem to give you more attention - I think they figure you must not be too much of a creep if you are with a chick. The two times I did that it was always at the insistence of the girls I was with - not the kind of thing I've ever broached as a possible to do for the evening.I have had a lot of female friends and a couple of ex girlfriends who at one time or another have worked as strippers. One did it for two years and made a lot of money at some of the really big clubs in New York and New Orleans. Some of them actually liked it, sort of, for others it was just a job. From my experience it's very common these days for attractive young women to do. I guess the money is just too good and really kind of easy to make if you are willing to do that sort of job. I think it's fine for some, but I've seen where some girls get a really negative view of men from it and I think also some get a really negative view of themselves. I don't think it's for everyone, but for girls that can handle it I guess it's fine.One of the more interesting strip club experiences I had was at a big club in NYC called VIP. Was talking to this girl who was a new dancer there and pretty quickly it was clear she was very smart and well educated. Something she said made me realize she was familiar with Oxford and so I asked her if that's where she went and she said that yeah, she had just graduated from there. I sort of quizzed her about a few things, what college she went to there, etc. just to see if she was telling the truth and yeah, she definitely knew what she was talking about. (I had a lot of friends who went there on an exchange program they had with my college). Wound up talking to her for like an hour about literature, mostly Moby Dick. Not the sort of girl one usually expects to meet at a strip club, but she said she was always curious about it and was trying it out for a spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser_not_appearing_yet Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I've never been to a strip bar purely for economic reasons. The only ones I could afford to go to would be the cheapest, nastiest cesspools in existence. Yay unemployment. Doubt I'd feel much guilt if I did however. Life's too short really.Is Bile up to his usual tricks? Haven't read everything, but will if so. That dude is fucking hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski the Swift Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 One of the more interesting strip club experiences I had was at a big club in NYC called VIP. Was talking to this girl who was a new dancer there and pretty quickly it was clear she was very smart and well educated. Something she said made me realize she was familiar with Oxford and so I asked her if that's where she went and she said that yeah, she had just graduated from there. I sort of quizzed her about a few things, what college she went to there, etc. just to see if she was telling the truth and yeah, she definitely knew what she was talking about. (I had a lot of friends who went there on an exchange program they had with my college). Wound up talking to her for like an hour about literature, mostly Moby Dick. Not the sort of girl one usually expects to meet at a strip club, but she said she was always curious about it and was trying it out for a spell.I had a similar experience myself one early morning in Melbourne. It is earth shattering to go from something as interesting as that to then go to the strip club in Newcastle and be horrified. The one in Newcastle was a room about 10 metres by 5 metres, a strip coming from one end and old dodgy chairs lined around the strip. I've only been twice, both for bucks shows. :leaving: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantabile Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Plus, if HBO has taught us anything, isn't it that strip clubs are simply fronts for evil organized crime organizations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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