littlespider Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I think it's because of all the characters in these books, Sansa is the character most strongly associated with romance and/or marriage. She is introduced to us as a young girl infatuated with her prince, and even though she's since then become so much more, the fact remains that at every single moment in her story arc, she has either been betrothed to, married to, or perved on by someone. So it's very easy to fall into the habit of shipping her with everyone she meets, and even a lot of people she doesn't meet. I'm not saying it isn't overdone to the point of absurdity and annoyance at times (guilty as charged), but I kind of understand why it happens.I think you are all kinds of right here. I am also guilty as charged.I like the above idea about the Great Virginity Knot.These are all reasons why it would be a perfect twist to have her end up as the Virgin Queen. I'm going to start shipping her with herself. Sounds quite pervy, but empowering, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headtrip_honey Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 As much as I ship SanSan HARD, my OTP with Sansa is the North. I want her to be Queen in the North, and if that means she can't have Sandor, SO BE IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound's She-wolf Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 These are all reasons why it would be a perfect twist to have her end up as the Virgin Queen. I'm going to start shipping her with herself. Sounds quite pervy, but empowering, yes?Alexia has posted that, too. I still like the idea of her "taking a lover", doesn't mean she has to marry him, but just so she can get her inner freak on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashcandy Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I think you are all kinds of right here. I am also guilty as charged.I like the above idea about the Great Virginity Knot.These are all reasons why it would be a perfect twist to have her end up as the Virgin Queen. I'm going to start shipping her with herself. Sounds quite pervy, but empowering, yes?Major pervy :) but empowering, undoubtedly. For me, I wouldn't want to see her as Virgin Queen as I think she does want the whole shebang of a husband, children and little cuddly puppies. Plus, the Great Virginity Knot is modeled after the Meereenese Knot, and eventually people do start arriving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headtrip_honey Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Major pervy :) but empowering, undoubtedly. For me, I wouldn't want to see her as Virgin Queen as I think she does want the whole shebang of a husband, children and little cuddly puppies. Plus, the Great Virginity Knot is modeled after the Meereenese Knot, and eventually people do start arriving.re: puppies...Alexia once said that Sansa could always pull a Mormont...bed down with direwolves and all that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Cake Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I'm going to start shipping her with herself. Sounds quite pervy, but empowering, yes?Ship motto: "To love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance." (Oscar Wilde, y0)Sansa/Sansa, it's the new & improved SanSan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miryana Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 People do ship Dany quite a bit, but not to the extent that Sansa receives.She's got that "on a different continent" obstacle, whereas Sansa can more easily be paired with anyone in Westeros. A Sansa/wildling pairing might be the only one I haven't run into.These are all reasons why it would be a perfect twist to have her end up as the Virgin Queen. I'm going to start shipping her with herself. Sounds quite pervy, but empowering, yes?Also, in this scenario she could have Rickon as her James I - the northern heir who takes over after the Virgin Queen and shocks the southern court with his new ways (though Rickon would be more "feed them to Shaggy" than "peace is good, let's befriend our enemies"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlespider Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 She should have a harem of men (as long as it includes Pod).She should also have a good dildo. And for those who think this is just perversion, there is evidence for the existence of dildos in the Middle Ages, though it is tentative.Also, in this scenario she could have Rickon as her James I - the northern heir who takes over after the Virgin Queen and shocks the southern court with his new ways (though Rickon would be more "feed them to Shaggy" than "peace is good, let's befriend our enemies"). :bowdown:I love this idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Cake Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 A Sansa/wildling pairing might be the only one I haven't run into.Somewhere on these forums, I once saw a prediction that Sansa will end up as the Lady of Winterfell and married to Mance Rayder so... yeah.To be fair, though, I think that prediction may have been made partly in jest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashcandy Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 She's got that "on a different continent" obstacle, whereas Sansa can more easily be paired with anyone in Westeros. A Sansa/wildling pairing might be the only one I haven't run into. Alys Karstark is currently on her honeymoon having a hearty laugh at all the other unfortunate noble wenches back in Westeros. Over the wall = gold mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexia Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Somewhere on these forums, I once saw a prediction that Sansa will end up as the Lady of Winterfell and married to Mance Rayder so... yeah.To be fair, though, I think that prediction may have been made partly in jest.Wouter actually ships her with Mance. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Cake Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Wouter actually ships her with Mance. ;)Ooooohh, I see. I'm actually kind of curious about the reasoning behind that, tbh. Besides a Winterfell/wildling alliance, I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexia Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Ooooohh, I see. I'm actually kind of curious about the reasoning behind that, tbh. Besides a Winterfell/wildling alliance, I mean.He said that he thinks that Mance is the kind of guy that she'd like. He seems rather courtly, plays the harp (was it?), and he's a genuinely nice guy. Plus the wildling/Stark alliance too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headtrip_honey Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 He said that he thinks that Mance is the kind of guy that she'd like. He seems rather courtly, plays the harp (was it?), and he's a genuinely nice guy. Plus the wildling/Stark alliance too.Okay, at least that's some decent rationale. I still don't ship it, clearly, but I have no problem with that reasoning. Except he's legit described as "middle aged", so, erm. Lil too old for my tastes.And he plays the lute, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candor Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Excellent points, LC. I find LF to be one of the most interesting characters in the series and I like and agree with a lot of what you've said. "The schemer and the scorned man" sums him up perfectly - I love it!I think you're right that he's gotten sloppy since leaving KL. Being the last word on what's what in the Vale is making him brazen, or stupid. I haven't really thought about his feelings for Alayne vs his feelings for Catelyn but you might be right that he's more obsessed with the former. Proximity is probably helping that long. The man's been nursing this 'crush' for 20 years or so and he's thisclose to his goal. As a reader, I'd actually be disappointed to see him lose control. It's one of the things I find most interesting about him. It adds tension to his character.I don't entirely agree with you here, although this is right on. "Littlefinger" is a derogatory nickname given to him by (I forgot who) one of the Tullys. It's a name that simultaneously demeans his family's lineage and his manhood (and, by extension, his love for Cat). I wouldn't say Petyr embraces it as part of his personality. The Tullys' rejection has been his motivation all this time. He's spent years 'proving' that he's good enough for Cat. It's sad because she never wanted him anyway, and that probably wouldn't have changed even if his house has been more noble. I agree that Sansa has a stronger identity. She's had "what it means to be a Stark" ground into her since day 1. She's been raised to be a proper lady who represents her house with honor, and she's been groomed to make a good match. The one thing she hasn't learned from either of her parents is how to navigate a treacherous political landscape so her time with LF is actually beneficial to her in that regard. As Alayne, she can learn to be devious without tainting the purity that is Sansa. It will be interesting to see how she assimilates the two personalities. I like Sansa being a 'good girl.' I'd be disappointed if she became cruel or devious, although I know she can't take down the likes of Cersei without being a little edgier.I like that LF is perving on Sansa. I think it's the perfect challenge for her character. I hate it when the hero/heroine of a book just has all opposition melt away in front of them. Main characters shouldn't have it easy. Sansa's come to be awesome but she wouldn't be awesome if she never encountered (and rose above) any difficulties. She's a beautiful girl who's drawn the eye of various sexually threatening men. Her story is very much effected by with her sexuality (her looks, her value as a wife (noble house/current claim on WF), her acceptance of Sandor, her unconsummated marriage to Tyrion). It makes sense that her major hurdle would be something sexual, and LF fits the bill. I love that his teachings will be the very thing that allows her to repel his advances and/or vanquish him. (At least, that's how I think this is going to go down.) She needs to take control of her sexuality. Her father made the match with Joffrey, Sandor intruded himself into her notice, Tyrion was forced on her, Harry's on deck to be forced on her, LF is creeping closer and closer . . . all this stuff has happened TO her. I want her to take a stand and say, "THIS is what I want (Sandor!) and THIS is what I don't want (LF)." I think her experiences with LF are the necessary catalyst.Red text - I didn't think he wanted to be called LF necessarily, probably doesn't, but I was just labeling his alternate persona by what others around him would call it. People call the schemer in KL "Littlefinger."---Also, The Great Virginity Knot.........:lmao: I like that. Reminds me of this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashcandy Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Also, The Great Virginity Knot......... :lmao: I like that. Reminds me of this!You totally know that Sandor's bloody cloak is that red string of fate, don't you Candace? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candor Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 You totally know that Sandor's bloody cloak is that red string of fate, don't you Candace? ;)Dun dun dun....!aka it is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlespider Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I almost compared the red string of fate to something else, but then decided not to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candor Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I almost compared the red string of fate to something else, but then decided not to go there.Damn you, now you must say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlespider Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 It would be unladylike, and Sansa would disapprove. Jaime, however, loves him his red strings of fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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