Puck the Goat Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 He goes cold, but the forums heat up.Could he be resurrected? Sure. But some people think that's cheap and cheesy.Could go to in to his puppy for a while? Maybe.In the end, is it OK for Jon to die? We could still learn all about him being R+L through Howland, but maybe it's time for the POV to move on.Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 At this point, it would be a narrative boondoggle for Jon to die and stay dead. Might he eventually die and stay dead before the series ends, of course. But at this particular point, it makes no sense, plot-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child of Spring Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I don't believe Jon's story is over yet, so I found his death kind of unlikely and I have to admit that I'm not fond of an idea of unJon. But I think seeing him warging Ghost would be quite interesting, plus in that case he would finally get in touch with his warg side (I don't know how else to call it, sorry :blushing: ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfellian Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 He goes cold, but the forums heat up.Could he be resurrected? Sure. But some people think that's cheap and cheesy.Could go to in to his puppy for a while? Maybe.In the end, is it OK for Jon to die? We could still learn all about him being R+L through Howland, but maybe it's time for the POV to move on.Thoughts?At the end of the series I can accept it but right now I think that aside from being a shock value his death doesn't contribute to the story; rather it detracts from because his entire arch will feel unresolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I think he has had 'dead in the end' written all over him from day one so to speak, but it can't happen now, I just think in narrative terms it would be crazy. He would never get to interact with any of the other characters for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Debaka Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I think Jon dying will eventualy be the catch 22 of the final book in the series (Him living in the end would actualy be more of a shock at this point) But no, Jon Snow is not now dead, and were he to be dead at this point it would make ZERO sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnow1984 Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Jon will resurrect as AA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJeffCT Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I think Melisandre staying behind means she thinks Jon Snow is now the Prince that was Promised, not Stannis.I think he'll either warg into ghost, or else he'll be saved in the nick of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotcat Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I don't think it's over for Jon quite yet. I don't think this death will stick.That said, I'm not crazy about the idea of an Un-Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakin1013 Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Like many posters, I also think Jon's death now does nothing for the story narrative as it has been constructed so far. And as a reader, GRRM has given me too much mystery about Jon, too much narrative, and too much care for him to die. However, I do not agree with many who think Jon's death by the end of the series is somehow 'a done deal'. So far, the Starks have lost a father, mother, brother, another brother injured, and a third missing/lost (4 males, 1 female). I do think there will be one more Stark death but that it will be female, and I think it will be Arya. It would be fitting if Arya dies defending Sansa, or Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I think Arya has dead written all over her too.I think Sansa, Bran and Rickon will survive. Jon and Arya won't see each other for very long before one or both of them dies so it can be bittersweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrja Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I agree with what everyone's said. At this point, it makes no sense for Jon to be dead and *stay* dead. Maybe eventually he will die 'permanently', but right now I think Jon is coming back in some shape or form. I truly hope that he is just very badly injured and will go into a bit of a coma or something for a while, and be forced to warg into Ghost (something he has resisted doing up til now). Jon dying at this point in the story would majorly cheapen the story for me. I can see him coming back 'resurrected' as some sort of undead being, but that too would upset me as I think Jon as a person still has some things to do before his arc is complete. Would make me sad to see him lose his memory of everything a la Beric Dondarrion.That said, I have no problem whatsoever if Jon dies eventually, such as towards the end of the series.....in fact, I've been expecting it. But....just....no. Not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodymime Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 As much as I like Jon with the popular opinion on here of how he just can't die because of the story I kind of hope he does stay dead. This is Martin's story not ours, just because we can't see how it works doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I dunno, I think GrrM still has to stick to character arcs that make sense.As it is we have three books of Jon growing up, then one in which his faults as a leader bring about his destruction. That's almost like a resolution to a character's development coming out of the left field.Looking at Ned and Cat's story arcs it makes much more sense to me that they should be dead.Jon's death is a blot from the blue, relatively anyway, that doesn't tie in with his story pre-DwD.Also, its very unclear exactly what Jon was trying to do and if he is dead we aren't likely to find this out in a very satisfactory way, which makes it very odd, in story terms, to kill him off.I was pretty clear why Ned and Cat died (even if the deaths were a shock, they made sense afterwards), and how their flaws brought them down. Jon can't die without it even being clear what he's up too. I do think that would just be bad story telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wight Walker Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Of all the cliffhangers in ADWD, this is the only one I really thought GRRM should definitely not have ended on. In reality 90% of readers just rolled their eyes and instantly began thinking of how he's coming back, rather than OMG he's dead. Unless george busts out some extremely intertesting twist (not death OR ressurection) he probably should of ended it on a note that was actually believable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodymime Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I wouldn't have a problem with. People die. They die randomly. It doesn't matter how important they are to us, they die. It doesn't matter how important they are for any reason, they die. I'll actually be disappointed if all of his characters that are just so needed for the story stay alive until their part is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck the Goat Posted June 22, 2012 Author Share Posted June 22, 2012 I could stomach his death, or going in to a long recovery period while warging.But another resurrection seems a bit silly.Although I did imagine him "dead" and his men throw him on a pyre as not to turn into a wight.. next thing you know - AA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serie Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 he will die in a "Frodo-like" way. He'll save Westeros but the wounds will be deadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf & the Dragon Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Jon cannot be dead yet. I see ASoIaF as his and Dany's story, their coming of age as leaders and people. There's just too much left for Jon to accomplish within the narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrja Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I wouldn't have a problem with. People die. They die randomly. It doesn't matter how important they are to us, they die. It doesn't matter how important they are for any reason, they die. I'll actually be disappointed if all of his characters that are just so needed for the story stay alive until their part is done.There is a point when doing something just for 'realism' in a story becomes, well....ridiculous. Not to mention one should not forsake good storytelling just for the sake of this supposedly amazing and holy 'realism'.Sorry, but I just don't see the appeal of Jon staying dead.Jon's death scene was by far my least favourite moment in almost the entire series, not because it happened, but because of where it was placed in the book.....as a cliffhanger just to piss us off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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