TomWillcox Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 I miss the like button so much. Excellent post!Thanks!Seriously, Tolkein is so under-appreciated, or appreciated in shallow ways. There are so many levels to LOTR and the Hobbit. Like, he writes a great story on one level, makes incredibly sophisticated observations about the nature of evil, temptation and goodness, and on another level makes academic arguments about how the English language has grown and what it's roots might have been and what it could be now if the Norman invasion hadn't happened. THen there is his brilliant satire of pretentious Victorian/Edwardian middle-class people who wanted to drag french into everything where it was utterly inappropriate in order to make themselves seem smarter and more cultured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomWillcox Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Couldn't agree more, and we haven't even delved into the stuff like Túrin - Nienor/NÃniel, Eol - Aredhel, Maeglin - Idril etc.Maeglin is the elf who wants to rape his sister or something, isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Maeglin is the elf who wants to rape his sister or something, isn't he?His cousin, and he betrays the city of Gondolin to Morgoth to get his chance on her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterz Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Nope, he's the one who betrays Gondolin's location to Morgoth.EDIT: Wait, he actually raped Idril? I don't recall that :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomWillcox Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Had Martin written LOTR, I don't doubt that he'd have had Aragorn, Eomer, Gandalf massacring Sauron's men when their blood was up.Of course, in the Battle of Pelennor Fields, Aragorn, Eomer, and Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth attack Sauron's forces from three sides, push them up against banks of the Anduin, and slaughter them to the last man, the Haradrim never asking for quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSilence Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 What about Valyria and Beleriand? I think there are some parallels too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomWillcox Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 His cousin, and he betrays the city of Gondolin to Morgoth to get his chance on her.Ah! I could never remember exactly what the relationship was, but I knew he was a weird one and betrayed the city of Gondolin for her. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterz Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Well, the hidden-city of Gondolin seems pretty similar to Highgarden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomWillcox Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Nope, he's the one who betrays Gondolin's location to Morgoth.EDIT: Wait, he actually raped Idril? I don't recall that :oI don't know if he actually did, but he was promised her for betraying the location of Gondolin. As you know, Morgoth was not the most trustworthy of fellows, so he may not have gotten what he bargained for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomWillcox Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 You know, I think Nirnaeth Arnoediad is the only thing in literature which has made me angrier than the Red Wedding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Nope, he's the one who betrays Gondolin's location to Morgoth.EDIT: Wait, he actually raped Idril? I don't recall that :o No he didn't but he tried to kill Earendil.edit You know, I think Nirnaeth Arnoediad is the only thing in literature which has made me angrier than the Red Wedding. :agree: this and the Fate of the House of Finwe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Pope Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Don't know if this has been mentioned, so please feel free to scold me if it has. ^_^The Tyrells are originally the stewards of Highgarden but become it's lords once the Gardner line dies out, similar to how the stewards of Gondor takes the place of the royal family when they disappear into exile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterz Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 I don't know if he actually did, but he was promised her for betraying the location of Gondolin. As you know, Morgoth was not the most trustworthy of fellows, so he may not have gotten what he bargained for.Well if it's just that than I'm guessing the answer is no. Right after Gondolin's fall, Maeglin dies and Idril escapes with Tuor and the refugees to live a happy everafter life (or something like it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSilence Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Oh and the Children of Húrin remind me of the Starks somehow, too. Like they get every bad thing what exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Well if it's just that than I'm guessing the answer is no. Right after Gondolin's fall, Maeglin dies and Idril escapes with Tuor and the refugees to live a happy everafter life (or something like it). I don't think that abandoning your son is *a happy everafter life* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomWillcox Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 No he didn't but he tried to kill Earendil.edit :agree: this and the Fate of the House of FinweJon's Queen Consort, I like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkWolf Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Edit: Dumb blonde moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ben Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 How is that an homage? Nuncle is an actual word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterz Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 I don't think that abandoning your son is *a happy everafter life*eheh as you may have noticed, I don't exactly recall her life but I know that she survived and went back to Valinor, her people survived and lived on, inhabitting southern (relatively to Beleriand) Middle-earth and Morgoth was defeated, so yeah it wasn't that bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkWolf Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 How is that an homage? Nuncle is an actual word.No friggin' way??!!! I thought Tolkien made it up. Ugh. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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