Lord_Tyrell Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 LF could literally have cut Neds throat and just said "He struggled against the knife". There is absolutely no point in hiring a FM.Seriously, he could have killed Ned the same way Varys killed Kevan very easily. Just lure him down to some dark ally with promises and tell him to go alone, and then Littlefinger could easily have Janos Slynt's little posse kill him. It doesn't take a Faceless Man to kill him.Jon on the other hand it might. Sending just a regular assassin to the Wall wouldn't work. You'd have to have someone join the Night's Watch to pull it off, and they'll surely kill the guy responsible. A Faceless Man can take a new identity though and get away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahl Trollo Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Well, could Satin be Jaqen? I haven't researched timelines, but after leaving Harrenhall, we assume it is Jaqen that shows up in Oldtown posing as the alchemist. When Satin shows up at the wall, he is said to be a prostitute from Oldtown (which is interesting because Jaqen was also said to have been a prostitute when he was in jail). Possible?The timing only allows for an either/or.We see 'the alchemist' is described nigh on identically to the 'face' Jaqen changed into in front of Arya.The alchemist kills Pate.Later Sam arrives at OldTown and Pate helps him settle into his sleeping quarters.That's a fair bit of circumstantial evidence. On the other hand we have an ex-rent boy turning up at the wall. I don't recall Jaqen ever saying he was a prostitute. citation needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 Seriously, he could have killed Ned the same way Varys killed Kevan very easily. Just lure him down to some dark ally with promises and tell him to go alone, and then Littlefinger could easily have Janos Slynt's little posse kill him. It doesn't take a Faceless Man to kill him.And which one of those watchmen would have talked about it in a pot shop over a bowl of brown? Robert was still king at the time this was planned. LF wouldn't have wanted anyone informing Robert that his dearest friend in the world had been murdered in a dark alley in an ambush organized by LF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoofu Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I'm pretty sure LF hired a FM to kill King Robert, and used his bastard daughter as payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Tyrell Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 And which one of those watchmen would have talked about it in a pot shop over a bowl of brown? Robert was still king at the time this was planned. LF wouldn't have wanted anyone informing Robert that his dearest friend in the world had been murdered in a dark alley in an ambush organized by LF.He could have gotten someone like Dontos to do it, and then kill him later. There are still plenty of other people Littlefinger could get to kill for him as long as he promised the proper amount of gold. Hell, he could hire some assassins, have them kill Ned, and then tip off the Gold Cloaks and have the Gold Cloaks kill Ned's assassins, so then no one could talk. There are plenty of ways he could have killed off Ned.A Faceless Man would be the very last way Littlefinger would try to kill Ned. He would literally have to be on his last leg and completely screwed and know he couldn't outsmart and manipulate someone, but Littlefinger doesn't think there's anyone he can't outsmart and manipulate. He may see Varys and Tyrion being the exceptions who can play on a near equal level to him, but he still sees them as a head short. I definitely think Littlefinger is scared of Tyrion since he probably knows that Tyrion can see right through him and has no real moral bounds in dealing with his enemies, which is why he attempts to eliminate him several times throughout the series, even before the real conflict has begun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion_the_Oneironaut Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Jaqen to Arya after Harrenhal:"A man has said. A man has also done unspeakable things with his mouth for money. To be a Faceless Man is to completely degrade oneself until a man wants to rip his own face off. A girl should have seen what was done to the last face in the brothels of Kinkytown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiss of Fire Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 To solve who hire the FM...follow the money...who could affford it? Also....he could have been doing recon for? Iron Bank? Is there anyone IlyrioVarys wanted dead? It seems they could afford to hire an FM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryhtscipe Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 "Kinkytown"?Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion_the_Oneironaut Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 "Kinkytown"?Really?It's in the Reach. A naked man has few secrets. A laid man, none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 He could have gotten someone like Dontos to do it, and then kill him later. There are still plenty of other people Littlefinger could get to kill for him as long as he promised the proper amount of gold. Hell, he could hire some assassins, have them kill Ned, and then tip off the Gold Cloaks and have the Gold Cloaks kill Ned's assassins, so then no one could talk. There are plenty of ways he could have killed off Ned.OK, you're right. Having Dontos lead Lord Eddard Stark into an ambush by the likes of Lharys, Mohor & Kurleket would have been the best way to assassinate him. C'mon, the surest way to kill someone in ASOIAF is to hire a Faceless Man to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 To solve who hire the FM...follow the money...who could affford it? Also....he could have been doing recon for? Iron Bank? Is there anyone IlyrioVarys wanted dead? It seems they could afford to hire an FM.No, anybody can hire a Faceless Man to give the gift. The Faceless Men are not in it for the money. But they do demand a pound of flesh. Of course they would have charged LF a fortune to assassinate the Hand of the King but Littlefinger had become extremely wealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Once Littlefinger betrayed Ned in the Throne Room. Littlefinger had to silence Ned so that he had open chances with Cat AND Sansa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoofu Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Once Littlefinger betrayed Ned in the Throne Room. Littlefinger had to silence Ned so that he had open chances with Cat AND Sansa.I believe Varys setup Ned mostly, since we know he wired the Red Keep with his children pals, and made Ned tell the lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Tyrell Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 OK, you're right. Having Dontos lead Lord Eddard Stark into an ambush by the likes of Lharys, Mohor & Kurleket would have been the best way to assassinate him. C'mon, the surest way to kill someone in ASOIAF is to hire a Faceless Man to do it.I'm not saying Dontos specifically, just use the same concept of giving someone valuable information to implement, and then kill him as soon as he implements it just to make sure he doesn't tell anyone.Littlefinger could hire his own army to take out Ned for a fraction the price of a Faceless Man. He's the Hand of the King, the second most powerful man in Westeros. He's going to command one hell of a price. Littlefinger is well off, but he's not really that rich. I'd say Varys is worth more than Littlefinger, as well as the head of every major house (aside from perhaps the Greyjoys) and several minor houses (Frey, Manderly, Florent, Hightower, Redwyne, Yronwood and maybe a few more). Littlefinger is not as rich as you think, at least at that point in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahl Trollo Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 OK, you're right. Having Dontos lead Lord Eddard Stark into an ambush by the likes of Lharys, Mohor & Kurleket would have been the best way to assassinate him. C'mon, the surest way to kill someone in ASOIAF is to hire a Faceless Man to do it.A sure way, most certainly - and I could see it perhaps as a weapon of last resort against a worthy opponent. But Ned, politically, isn't a worthy opponent. He's an amateur. He's hamstrung by the very things that make him a well respected man by many people in the story.LittleFinger COULD have hired a faceless man (anyone could have, the cost of hiring isn't strictly monentary - but you do PAY.. for instance LF has money in abundance - his payment wouldn't have been money... it would have been something dear to him, something precious). But he didn't need to. He played his cards in an almost easy fashion and rather than have the hand of the king mysteriously die or go missing, he is executed as a traitor in front of thousands of witnesses.An outcome that works much better for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Tyrell Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 (anyone could have, the cost of hiring isn't strictly monentary - but you do PAY.. for instance LF has money in abundance - his payment wouldn't have been money... it would have been something dear to him, something precious).Well, what else does Littlefinger give a damn about? All Littlefinger cares about is vengeance and himself. The payment for Littlefinger would have been in the very least his brothel empire, and that's if the Faceless Men thought that Littlefinger would actually care to part with them, and they may raise the price from there. No way in hell would Littlefinger hire a Faceless Man unless he was incredibly desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahl Trollo Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Well, what else does Littlefinger give a damn about? All Littlefinger cares about is vengeance and himself. The payment for Littlefinger would have been in the very least his brothel empire, and that's if the Faceless Men thought that Littlefinger would actually care to part with them, and they may raise the price from there. No way in hell would Littlefinger hire a Faceless Man unless he was incredibly desperate.Cat.And Sansa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Cat.And Sansa. Don't speak lies about me. I also care about chaos. And the ladder. And mockingbirds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahl Trollo Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Don't speak lies about me. I also care about chaos. And the ladder. And mockingbirds.:) I love your posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahl Trollo Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 So, if I get this right.... he hired one as a 'backup plan'?Nah. He had Ned dead to rights - and once he told LF he would put Stannis on the throne it was all over but the crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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