Inquisitor Glokta Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Crackpot ahead:Arya finds 2 dead bodies by the statue of the Stranger in ADWD. One of them is:Curly hair, and thick. A handsome face, unlined. He was young.He also has 4 Gold Dragons with him, which seems to be quite a lot for some random lowborn guy from Westeros, which would point to him being somewhat highborn.Now who do we know is currently missing from Westeros who would fit that description:1) Loras TyrellThere has been some speculation, but i would think if GRRM would want to hide a hint, he would have the Tyrell coins with him.2) Tyrek LannisterHe would fit the description. He has long golden curls and he's a Lannister so 4 Dragons would be nothing for him.How did Tyrek get there? Well... Varys must have done something during ADWD, maybe we didn't even notice it. Could a young highborn lad from Westeros be a sacrifice for the Many Faced God, idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterz Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Dude, it was just some guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Glokta Posted June 23, 2013 Author Share Posted June 23, 2013 Dude, it was just some guy...Just some random lowborn guy with 4 dragons? Do you have any idea who much 4 Dragons are for lowborn people in Westeros? Most of them would actually kill for that amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prince of Ice Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Dude, it was just some guy...Most likely this but with GRRM you have to expect the unexpected so i dont know who it is to be honest we might find out in the next books if not your right Winterz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterz Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Just some random lowborn guy with 4 dragons? Do you have any idea who much 4 Dragons are for lowborn people in Westeros? Most of them would actually kill for that amount.I never said it was a lowborn. Do you have any idea how many people in Westeros whom we've never heard of, that have that kind of money? Thousands.It's just overanalyzation. No real meaning to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Flashheart Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 So if it was Tyrek(and I'm not saying it was) why, or how did he end up in Bravos? :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prince of Ice Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Just some random lowborn guy with 4 dragons? Do you have any idea who much 4 Dragons are for lowborn people in Westeros? Most of them would actually kill for that amount.Thats is a lot for any lowborn your right and many of them would kill for that amount. However he said some guy that doesnt mean lowborn but it could be a lesser lordling who would have 4 dragons or a traders son from Braavos. Just because he has curly hair and has dragons doesnt mean that was an important bit of information it could just be a device to move the story along and take up page space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prince of Ice Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I never said it was a lowborn. Do you have any idea how many people in Westeros whom we've never heard of, that have that kind of money? Thousands.It's just overanalyzation. No real meaning to it.I agree most likely this is an overanalyzation but with GRRM you got expect the unexpected as i said earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterz Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I agree most likely this is an overanalyzation but with GRRM you got expect the unexpected as i said earlier.Yeah but there's just no reason for any of those 2 options to be him hence why I don't think there's any foreshadowing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfell Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Interesting theory, I wonder if it is a bit of an Easter Egg , plot point, or just some narrative filigree. I'm not sure about Tyrek though, I thought that the temple was for suicides and I'm not sure that the FM would take too kindly to murder there (although they have bloody confusing policies regarding when a death is or isn't in the interests of the MFG).I'm trying to think who else we've met who is young and heartbroken and who might have been in Braavos for some reason, though nobody springs to mindETA: We cannot rule out the possibility that he's a secret Targ :leaving: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor knows Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Most likely this but with GRRM you have to expect the unexpected so i dont know who it is to be honest we might find out in the next books if not your right Winterz This. Any little, unexplained, seemingly ambiguous detail is just a string left for George to pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prince of Ice Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Yeah but there's just no reason for any of those 2 options to be him hence why I don't think there's any foreshadowing here.I agree with you there, for either Tyrek or Loras it doesnt make sense and doesnt have much factual basis. Both characters would have no reason to go to Braavos unless they were forced. Loras is most likely in Dragonstone dying or fled back to the Reach to help his family. Tyrek went missing in a riot in KL which probably means hes dead but if Varys did grab him and the theory that Varys is gathering lordlings of great houses to "protect" the realm by making a new government under his thumb basically then maybe Tyrek is alive. However IMO i doubt highly that Tyrek is alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 It also do think it will turn out to be someone we know :ninja:Tyrek is an interesting guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duncan of Flea Bottom Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I can't see why Tyrek would be there in Braavos, if Varys kidnapped him, he would be in Pentos with Illyrio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prince of Ice Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I can't see why Tyrek would be there in Braavos, if Varys kidnapped him, he would be in Pentos with IllyrioGood point, forgot about the connection between Varys and Illyrio for a sec thanks for the reminder :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jentario Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 So if it was Tyrek(and I'm not saying it was) why, or how did he end up in Bravos? :dunno: And why kill him off just so he can pop up as a body in Arya's pile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noSer Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 The temple isn't just for suicides. Dying Bravos go there to end their pain after losing a duel. Whoever it was most likely was highborn, so it could be Tyrek, and if it was him you can be damn sure Varys had something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night'sQueen Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 And why kill him off just so he can pop up as a body in Arya's pile?I don't subscribe to the theory, but to answer the question: Anyone in Arya's pile then has a face available for later use... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfell Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 The temple isn't just for suicides. Dying Bravos go there to end their pain after losing a duel. Whoever it was most likely was highborn, so it could be Tyrek, and if it was him you can be damn sure Varys had something to do with it.Suicide and euthanasia (at least in this context and that of terminally ill people seeking to die there) are still conceptually quite close in that the decision to die rests with the person doing the dying. What I meant was that killing somebody and leaving the body there, or killing someone in the temple itself is very much a different kettle of fish.Duels are a violent and early death, but it's a situation where two people enter into a duel on the understanding that one will not survive it. Murder is different in that the person dying has no agency in their death and hasn't been "selected" by them for an assassination. Presumably there's some kind of religious dispensation that allows them to take lives as assassins but they don't approve of murder on general principles and I can imagine that from their point of view it might be something fairly blasphemous to bring your victim into their temple if you're going to murder someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall-Talker Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 How far into ADwD is this in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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