Lord Ravenstark Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 People forget that noble families can track their ancestry and find suitable heirs from extensives branches and lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentwanderer Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 House ThorneThat House is as dead as Arryn's.Ser Alister and Sweet Robin are all what's left and neither one is going to produce children any time soon.Mormonts seem like a strong case because only the eldest Mormont gal survived the Red Wedding and Ser Jorah is not in a better shape either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 That House is as dead as Arryn's.Ser Alister and Sweet Robin are all what's left and neither one is going to produce children.Mormonts seem like a strong case now that only the eldest Mormont survived the Red Wedding.There are other Arryns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentwanderer Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 There are other Arryns.I don't see how considering the reason Jon Arryn had to marry Lysa Tully was precisely because the last Arryn cousins died before Robert's rebellion.Its Robin or nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire-Lion Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 I don't see how considering the reason Jon Arryn had to marry Lysa Tully was precisely because the last Arryn cousins died before Robert's rebellion.Its Robin or nothing.I think they are referring to the Arryns of Gulltown, however considering the fact that Harry is heir in spite of their existence I don't think they will come into play. The Arryns will die out because of their pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentwanderer Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 I think they are referring to the Arryns of Gulltown, however considering the fact that Harry is heir in spite of their existence I don't think they will come into play. The Arryns will die out because of their pride.The Arryns were already dead by the time Jon married Lysa, that's why he went for a bride of proven fertility. She was supposed to give him sons because there were no Arryns.Lysa "failed" her late husband in the same veins Selyse "failed" Stannis. Hence the reason she envied her sister's 3 sons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 The Arryns were already dead by the time Jon married Lysa, that's why he went for a bride of proven fertility. She was supposed to give him sons because there were no Arryns.Lysa "failed" her late husband in the same veins Selyse "failed" Stannis. Hence the reason she envied her sister's 3 sons.LF says they are still there,They aren't mentioned by the rest of the nobles because they married merchents and got rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Melli Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 The BoltonsAnd House Frey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ravenstark Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 LF says they are still there,They aren't mentioned by the rest of the nobles because they married merchents and got rich.He said that there are others Arryn, and Gulltown are one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansa's sworn sword Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Caron. only ser Rolland storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakeTheDragon Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 A lot of houses are in rough shape it's actually hard to even pick one. The Starks are in exile but at least there are living heirs. The Baratheons have only Stannis remaining with no living male heirs. The Lannisters have no one left. Jamie is missing Tyrion is across the sea and the rest have been killed off. The Arryns have no one but little Robert which is a dire, dire situation and has been from the get go. The Tully's have their liege lord imprisoned. The only great houses not in a horrible situation are the Tyrells, Martells and Greyjoys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Melli Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 A lot of houses are in rough shape it's actually hard to even pick one. The Starks are in exile but at least there are living heirs. The Baratheons have only Stannis remaining with no living heirs. The Lannisters have no one left. Jamie is missing Tyrion is across the sea and the rest have been killed off. The Arryns have no one but little Robert which is a dire, dire situation and has been from the get go. The Tully's have their liege lord imprisoned. The only great houses not in a horrible situation are the Tyrells, Martells and Greyjoys.What about Shireen Baratheon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakeTheDragon Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 What about Shireen Baratheon?Meant to say male heirs. The name would die with her I think??? Not positive on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire-Lion Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Meant to say male heirs. The name would die with her I think??? Not positive on that.I think if she married a noble from a lesser house he would take her name, similar to what happens with the Martells. I don't know if that could happen in the Stormlands, but the precedent is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakeTheDragon Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 I think if she married a noble from a lesser house he would take her name, similar to what happens with the Martells. I don't know if that could happen in the Stormlands, but the precedent is there.The Martells are kind of a unique culture though. Different situation. I'd be curious to see if there was a precedence for this in one of the other kingdoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentwanderer Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Caron. only ser Rolland storm.Those are doomed too.The Martells can survive because women inherit in Dorne, so long as there's a Martell - male of female - the House will remain unbowed, unbend and unbroken, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowmelter Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 The Lannisters might survive if Lancel decides to marry and produce heirs. Not bloody likely, but possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire-Lion Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/CustomsUnder marriage contracts it states that most women take their husband's names but not all. I don't think it would be a huge stretch that if Shireen was to marry a landed knight he would take her name. In fact, he might even want to because of the power associated with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 The Lannisters might survive if Lancel decides to marry and produce heirs. Not bloody likely, but possible.Why just Lancel? He has a younger brother and sister, he also has a young cousin Tyrek who is not confirmed dead and the offspring from his aunt Genna who has two loving sons and two living grandsons. This is just in the Lannister immediate family and ignores the cousins from other branches of the family(Tytos himself had brothers), and Daven, current warden of the west, is also a Lannister with siblings as well as Damion from another branch who is the current castellan of Casterly rock. And these are just the ones we have been told about, having spent no time in the Westerlands(unlike the North, Vale and Riverlands) there could be many more we simply have not been told about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentwanderer Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 The Lannisters might survive if Lancel decides to marry and produce heirs. Not bloody likely, but possible.He already orchestrated his wife's next marriage and joined the Faith before the end of the last book, so the Lannister's last hope remains the Kingslayer's whore.I'd say that makes them pretty much doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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